DigitalEdwhen in the grid editor can i somehow hear and playback the song i am working on in Logic.
So it plays to the beat i am making in the grid editor?.
when in the grid editor can i somehow hear and playback the song i am working on in Logic.
So it plays to the beat i am making in the grid editor?.
DamirThe fact you have been putting up with this logic for years shows me you are very set in your ways, this does not mean you don’t get the job done it means you just do it the hard way, no disrespect to you but i am pointing out something that is so obvious i cant believe i am having to explain to you that it would be a lot more constructive to be able to control the play stop start playhead and looping all in the one spot no matter which spot you happen to prefer to work in if this is not obvious to you then just take a moment and think about it from a different perspective, not continually seeing it from your fixed old fashioned way of doing things.
Sorry to be so blunt but dumb logic boils my blood.
DamirHi Bear, i also have great experience in audio as a sound engineer in the ABC radio/tv land for 0ver 40 years and running a band since i was 15 , not to mention i am also a qualified electronic technician and have a lot of other experiences in my life so i do know how DAWs work and i know for a fact that they can be controlled remotely by hardware an software.
My observation of EZD3 is that it does not deliver Eazy control of most important tools required when creating a drum pattern within its grid editor, if you use a DAW with it, it does not allow you to simply choose a playhead point within the plugin grid editor and sync up the DAW and just hit play and hear the DAW and EZD3 , you can only hear the drums in EZD3 no DAW audio is heard. This applies in SONG mode , this makes no sense as you have your DAW audio there you don’t need to go to the daw anymore as you are engrossed in the drumming at this stage you don’t want to be bothered with the DAW you expect to choose a loop point in the grid editor as thats the area of concern so you create a loop point in the editor this should auto reflect in the DAW so as you hit play in EZD3 where you are engrossed in and have it full screen because you want very accurate control of your editing, the last thing you want is to have to exit this screen and be bothered creating new loop points in the DAW , this should be possible within EZD3 so you can just get on with the job of precise editing, but if you don’t use the DAW loop points and only use EZD3 loop points all you will hear is drums only without any DAW audio, this makes no sense since you need to hear the DAW audio as you are editing to this audio, this continual fighting between the DAW and EzD3 needs to stop, toontracks need to figure out how the two can be implemented so they work in harmony and so allowing us users to have a very quick and logical method of creation, this is possible with external hardware so why cant it be possible between plugin software, i am pretty sure i have worked with plugins that do have full control of the basic controls of the Daw.
This is my and many others gripe against EZD3 , this is basic operational stuff and not a nitty gritty concern about some minor sound issue of a sample that has a few milliseconds too much reverb or a tom tom that sounds to boomy.
This is very important to users that don’t want or need to learn shortcuts to get around an issue that should not exist in the first place.
i have other examples of this poor logic, but am just using this as one so you can see i and others have a legitimate gripe with EZD3 i am 63 years old and have plenty of musical and software experience i was around when apple 2 green screens were around and have had numerous computers in my lifetime at the moment i am still in the ABC radio master control surrounded by 14 computer screens, i do like good software and have no time for poor software, i would not be writing this to you if i didn’t think EZD3 was was not wort it, it is a wonderful example of nice looking and great sounding capability, its just it has been put together with lack of thought of how users might want to use it, i personally would love to just load a sound file in to BANDMASTER find a basic beat and just drop this to SONG and use the grid editor from there, not even involve a DAW but Toontrack has made it fine until you drop the midi file to the SONG mode from there it becomes useless as you cant hear the audio track loaded in Bandmaster, so again it becomes useless, so then you are forced to use a DAW from there you run in to all the other obstacles i mentioned earlier, yes sure i can finish a project but its like pulling teeth that wont come out, yet i can see how good this software could be if somebody just completed it properly.
Now after all that i hope you see my frustrations and i do have a lot of respect for you guys that are happy with it the way it is, i use to be in the same boat for years but at my age i do not wish to use time consuming software anymore as i am running out of time.
One day you will understand or perhaps you are similar age so you will understand.
cheers Damir, one man band, that makes his own backing tracks as efficiently as possible.
ShootieBrad is using better lingo than myself. Thanks Brad.
If a company could start paving the path for this workflow, I wouldn’t be surprised if Toontrack could handle it. Redefining the industry standard of an absolute ton of companies at the same time for one workflow is not a simple update away, easy, or inexpensive. You know this. So by all means, push for it. This will take the time you claim not to have though.
We’ve chatted a few times Damir and you’ve inspired me to include certain things in my videos, thanks for the inspiration. We’ve already beaten this exact same convo to death on a different thread. So I say this as humbly as possible. If you took 25% of the time you’ve taken to rant on this forum for the past few months, and simply practiced when to hit “shift + spacebar” as opposed to just hitting “spacebar”, you would not be wasting your time here on this anymore. You would be seamlessly controlling EZD and your DAW at the same time.
I don’t even want to be right in this thread, I don’t want attention for arguing at all, I’m just interested in you moving on. And for a task like this, it is extremely simple. You are moments away from getting it down, and hours away from mastering it… any age… any experience level. Now imagine how much time you’ve spent stressing on this instead of just learning it. Now is the time for you.
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Thanked by: BradDamirThanks Soothie you are absolutely spot on and I will do as you suggest I’ve had my share of improvement in the industry life goes on as you say rock on!
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Thanked by: Shootie
BradThanks Soothie you are absolutely spot on and I will do as you suggest I’ve had my share of improvement in the industry life goes on as you say rock on!
You are nothing if not passionate about your instruments and for that I salute you.
Now to creating music.
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Thanked by: ShootieShootieYou got this!
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Bear-Faced CowI’m going to have fun with this oblivious and rather ignorant statement:
i am a music creator first, i don’t need or should have to know how software is constructed or its restrictions
This is where I throw down the bullshit card! And it will be the root of everything I use in the rest of your posts.
That is like saying that a photographer doesn’t need to know their camera or even the photo software they are using to develop their photos, and yet they bitch constantly on Canon’s or Nikon’s forums that their lenses are shitty because they are getting nothing but garbage photographs because they are using the automatic settings believing that the results should be automatically good.
It is like saying videographers should need to know how to use Final Cut Pro (or Adobe Premiere) because everything should just come out looking like an academy award production because of the word PRO in it.
Is that the same basis of thought that you are using Logic PRO?
You do not need to know how CoreAudio works or how Logic was developed. Nor do you need to know have EZ Drummer converts MIDI into audio. But to say that you don’t need to be aware of how software works, is pure ignorance. Yes, you do need to know how the software works so you can come up with efficient workflows as opposed to the overly klunky way you are currently doing things and blaming the developers for your inabilities.
both the DAW and plugin software writers don’t seem to give a shit about the end users
More bullshit. You can’t even state this because you don’t feel you should know how it works to claim that developers don’t give a shit. Considering that you are using a professional DAW, you can be sure that Apple (and others, including Toontrack) has been listening to the industry professionals: musicians and audio engineers. They listen to the people who care to learn the tools, and not people who believe they are above learning. Over the last 35 years of using Logic, I can tell you first hand some of the comments from die-hard Logic users ridiculously complaining that Apple has “dumbed it down”. Well, maybe they have if they have users as yourself coming with the belief that you shouldn’t know how to use it.
i believe there are a lot more disappointed people that haven’t spoken out yet
No, many of them have only spoken out after learning the software rather than bitching about it first.
when i go to a restaurant i expect to eat high quality food not crap
McDonald’s is a restaurant. Burger King, KFC and Taco Bell are as well. Do you go into Taco Bell expecting the food to be like so me classy Mexican Restaurant? If so, you need to seriously consider your statement.
Resorting back to your root statement, it is like calling yourself a food connoisseur first and believing you don’t need to know the French language, and yet you scream at the waiter telling him you ordered Escargot only to get a plate of cooked snails.
f i buy EAZY DRUMMER it means i want an easy drumming experience not crappy buggy one that slows me down.
Totally unqualified statement considering that you have not chosen to learn the software. For those of us who have learned what it can do, yes, creating drum parts that sound mix ready is rather easy. I can go from concept to fully fleshed out song within 30 minutes. Even faster by a factor of 5 when I take advantage of some of more powerful features. THAT’S what easy (and PRO) is all about. Not some self-entitled believe that you pop in an unfinished guitar part and excrete a song.
i expect better from a high quality sounding product like EZD3.
Your expectations versus your desire to invest your knowledge in the tools are not reasonable. There’s a reason all of the features are there in both the DAWs and plug-ins. Making music is a craft. You only get out of it what you put into it. Garbage in, garbage out. Plain and simple.
As far as Brad’s & Shootie’s suggestion about going to the DAW developers with this, have fun with that and don’t blame them when they come back laughing. There are many reasons Apple won’t allow a plug-in to control a DAW, one of them being security. It’s no use elaborating on it because you don’t feel it’s your responsibility to know. But know that with each advancement of Mac OS, there is more (not less) sandboxing. You can complain all you want, but companies like Apple will take their advice from security experts who know what their talking about, rather than “musicians” who believe it’s not their job to know and that Apple doesn’t give a shit.
Jord
Bear-Faced CowThanks Soothie you are absolutely spot on and I will do as you suggest I’ve had my share of improvement in the industry life goes on as you say rock on!
How can you have your share of improvement if you don’t know how it works, and feel you don’t have to know? I totally question this!
jord
DamirYou can lead a horse to water but you cant make it drink.
Bear-Faced CowLame horses are sent to the glue factory.
There are none so blind as those that refuse to see.
jord
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