Forum Problem

[Asa Palmer]

Yesterday I posted about I problem I am have with ‘damping’ notes in EZBass. Immediately after posting I noticed that I had missed a ‘?’ at the end of a sentence, so I edited the post to correct that. Then I realised that there was an extra full stop (.) at the end of the sentence (very small thing I know, but I like to get things right!) so I edited the post again. As soon as I tried to save the edit the screen flashed red and the the post was considered to be ‘SPAM’ and was deleted!

I guess that this was caused by the two rapid edits that may have triggered an over-reactive spam filter, but it certainly was not spam – I am a genuine Toontrack user (SD3 and EZBass) and urgently need some assistance with an issue I am having with one of the products I have paid for.

What happens now?

Can the post be reactivated so that I can perhaps get an answer today?

If I were to post it again will it be accepted?

Am I now forever banished from the Toontrack kingdom to wallow forever in lonely, desolate, desperate isolation?

Please assist.

EZBass v1.1.8
SD3 v3.3.6
EZKeys v2.05
Windows-10Pro (ex Windows-11Pro user)
Nuendo-12.0.70
Roland TD-20X

• This topic was modified 3 years, 7 months ago by Asa Palmer.

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[Scott]

I’ve “unspammed” the post. Yes it’s a spam filter when posts are edited quickly. We just need to review and upspam them when necessary.

Scott Sibley - Toontrack
Technical Advisor

[Asa Palmer]

Many thanks Scott.

Are you able to help with the damping question?

EZBass v1.1.8
SD3 v3.3.6
EZKeys v2.05
Windows-10Pro (ex Windows-11Pro user)
Nuendo-12.0.70
Roland TD-20X

[Scott]

Asa Palmer wrote:

Many thanks Scott.

Are you able to help with the damping question?

Without hearing an audio example or seeing the project file I have no idea.

Is this in standalone or in a DAW? Do you have any CC messages activating damping in your DAW?

Scott Sibley - Toontrack
Technical Advisor

[Asa Palmer]

Hi Scott,

I’m using EZBass as a plugin within Nuendo.

The bass line is entirely contained within EZBass – because of the unique articulations in EZB.

There are no midi tracks sending anything to the EZBass track.

If I highlight all notes in the Grid Editor and change the Damping value to -127, (I think) that all notes are ringing in the same manner, but if I change the Damping value to something like ‘0’ or ’50’ for all notes the damping effect seems to randomly vary as the track is played from partially damped to very damped.

I’ve now spent two days trying to get a uniformly damped bass sound in EZbass without success so may be forced to go back to Spectrasonics Trilian to finish this mix.

Not to confuse the above issue, I’ve recently discovered that if a Nuendo project containing an EZBass track is saved, closed and then re-opened, the Ezbass track will not contain the last changes made in EZbass so the previous Damping settings will not be there, which is very worrying. Even after setting the EZBass project as ‘Default Project’ before closing the Nuendo project , when the project is re-opened the project displayed in EZBass is not the one that was last saved, which one would expect it to be. It is necessary to go and re-open the ‘Default Project’. All very confusing and not what is generally expected when using plugins within a DAW.

EZBass v1.1.8
SD3 v3.3.6
EZKeys v2.05
Windows-10Pro (ex Windows-11Pro user)
Nuendo-12.0.70
Roland TD-20X

[Scott]

Is this a project started in EZbass 1.1 and now you’re on version 1.1.1? Does the same behavior occur on a new 1.1.1 project? Does the same behavior happen in EZbass standalone?

Scott Sibley - Toontrack
Technical Advisor

[Asa Palmer]

Yes, started in v1.1.o, now on v1.1.1.

Same problem in standalone mode.

The file is attached.

I selected all notes in the Grid editor and set the damping value to ’50’

Listen to what happens at bar 25, and I think something already changes at bar 21.

Well I tried to attach the file but your forum does not allow .EZBP files to be attached!

 

 

EZBass v1.1.8
SD3 v3.3.6
EZKeys v2.05
Windows-10Pro (ex Windows-11Pro user)
Nuendo-12.0.70
Roland TD-20X

[Scott]

Asa Palmer wrote:

Yes, started in v1.1.o, now on v1.1.1.

Same problem in standalone mode.

The file is attached.

I selected all notes in the Grid editor and set the damping value to ’50’

Listen to what happens at bar 25, and I think something already changes at bar 21.

Well I tried to attach the file but your forum does not allow .EZBP files to be attached!

 

 

You can zip the project to attach it.

Scott Sibley - Toontrack
Technical Advisor

[Asa Palmer]

Ok,

File attached.

EZB-TEST

EZBass v1.1.8
SD3 v3.3.6
EZKeys v2.05
Windows-10Pro (ex Windows-11Pro user)
Nuendo-12.0.70
Roland TD-20X

[Scott]

I’ll forward this thread to support.

Scott Sibley - Toontrack
Technical Advisor

[MattiasEks]

Hi,

The “Damping” knob in Edit Play Style is relative to the current damping value of each damping node related to the marked notes of blocks. So turning it to -127 will offset all damping nodes with that value, causing them all to reach 0, and no damping is heard. The project you attached already contains damping nodes at various levels throughout the song, so turning it to, say, -50 will also result in varying levels of damping, at -50 offset compared to what you already have. If you want uniform damping throughout the song, you’ll need to remove the existing damping nodes and then adjust the damping, either by turning the “Damping” knob in Edit play style or manually drawing your desired curve in the CC editor.

 

Regards,

Mattias Ekström - Coder
Toontrack

[Asa Palmer]

Hi Mattias,

So why does selecting all notes in the grid and then turning the damping value to ‘-127’ NOT remove ALL damping?

See attached pic.  That seems to me to be the most logical way to do it.

How exactly do I ‘remove all damping nodes’  to achieve no damping on any notes and then apply the same damping value to all notes?

EZBass v1.1.8
SD3 v3.3.6
EZKeys v2.05
Windows-10Pro (ex Windows-11Pro user)
Nuendo-12.0.70
Roland TD-20X

[Petter]

Hi Asa,

 

The damping is applied as a curve to the whole song block that you have selected, and not to individual notes.

First, select the damping CC in the drop down menu that has velocity selected by default.

 

 

You will see that damping has one or more nodes that you can manually edit with your mouse.

 

 

The damping knob will lower or raise that entire curve and edit all of the damping nodes in the song block that you have selected.

To make the entire song block have the same damping, you could delete all but one damping node and then use the damping knob to edit the damping for that song block.

 

Petter Adsten - Toontrack
Support & Betatesting

[Asa Palmer]

Thank you Petter, that has solved the problem, although the relationship between the Damping Curve nodes and the damping knob is very confusing as, as far as I can see, the latter does not display a value unless it is actually moved so it is impossible to know retrospectively what value has been applied using the knob.

Note: The relationship between the Velocity Curve nodes and the Velocity, Dynamics and Randomize sliders is also very confusing as, as far as I can see, these sliders do not  display applied values when retrospectively selecting notes.

I assume that any values applied are stored when a project is saved, so it should be possible to display them after the event.

If these knobs and sliders are never touched then there is no problem, but if they are used then it is vital that values applied to notes are retrospectively visible to avoid the sort of confusion I was experiencing with ‘damping’. (Perhaps they are, but I can not find them).

 

EZBass v1.1.8
SD3 v3.3.6
EZKeys v2.05
Windows-10Pro (ex Windows-11Pro user)
Nuendo-12.0.70
Roland TD-20X

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