Ok ladies and gentlemen… what is this ringing flangerish spice in high register notes? I just did a side by side comparison will all other pianos I have and it’s definatelly EZKeys 2 (Session Grand Basic, Ballad 1, Ballad 2 etc.). It almost sounds like a very quiet electric piano overlay. It’s really annoying :/
That whas what I posted in one of the FB groups. I’ve got this answer:
“I never liked the sounds of the original ez keys, either. I always composed in ez keys then moved the midi to something like Keyscape. Probably do the same with ezkeys2”
To which I answered:
I have the original EZKeys grand piano too – sounds thin and airless. I was doing what you said, using eg Addictive Keys – already 100 times better. But I had high hopes while awaiting EZKeys 2 and now I’m a bit disappointed. The sound is very wide, warm, really fills the panorama nice, so that part is great. Can tell many good mics were used. But they did something to samples possibly when removing noise or final tuning and they don’t resonate well creating this unpleasant flanger-style reaction. I played more now and individual notes played solo are not bad but it happens when they harmonise with each other. All FX off of course, as dry as it can be. I say it’s a catastrophe.
What do you say guys? Can this be fixed other than re-recording whole library again?
Just wanted to add, it’s well pronounced between C4 and C6.
Ok ladies and gentlemen… what is this ringing flangerish spice in high register notes? I just did a side by side comparison will all other pianos I have and it’s definatelly EZKeys 2 (Session Grand Basic, Ballad 1, Ballad 2 etc.). It almost sounds like a very quiet electric piano overlay. It’s really annoying :/
That whas what I posted in one of the FB groups. I’ve got this answer:
“I never liked the sounds of the original ez keys, either. I always composed in ez keys then moved the midi to something like Keyscape. Probably do the same with ezkeys2”
To which I answered:
I have the original EZKeys grand piano too – sounds thin and airless. I was doing what you said, using eg Addictive Keys – already 100 times better. But I had high hopes while awaiting EZKeys 2 and now I’m a bit disappointed. The sound is very wide, warm, really fills the panorama nice, so that part is great. Can tell many good mics were used. But they did something to samples possibly when removing noise or final tuning and they don’t resonate well creating this unpleasant flanger-style reaction. I played more now and individual notes played solo are not bad but it happens when they harmonise with each other. All FX off of course, as dry as it can be. I say it’s a catastrophe.
What do you say guys? Can this be fixed other than re-recording whole library again?
Just wanted to add, it’s well pronounced between C4 and C6.
Let me know if you’ve figured it out because when I tried to EQ it out (in Ez Keys 1) it’s really apparent around that 1000 Khz range but even bringing that down doesn’t seem to get rid of it.
While I was going through the EZKeys2 manual and checking out the new features (not too hard if you have EZBass/EZDrummer) I did a little sound testing on this issue as well.
I’m up for a mixmaster eq challenge, as I can always learn something.
Test setup:
Ableton Live
3 Piano instrument tracks
All three were fed into an analysis track with Neutron 3 for filtering and Insight 2 for spectral analysis.
What I found is there is a kind of “ringing” overtone at ~1300hz ~E6 that corresponds roughly to the sound and position of the ringing in the sample test posted by Nawal https://soundcloud.com/justforyou-717762266/resonance (now removed, so I can’t run a comparison test to confirm this is the frequency problem area)
By setting an aggressive notch filter, static or dynamic, in Neutron you can dial this in and out, as well as visualize it in Insight 2.
Thing is, this “ringing” overtone is present in all three instruments, to varying degrees.
You can hear it if you listen for it, you can dial it in or out. So it’s not an EZKeys2 issue, if this is in fact the frequency that is the one being talked about.
Maybe some people are just more sensitive to this frequency, don’t know.
As to the claim it doesn’t exist in other libraries, don’t know.
But what I replicated above meshes with Nawal initial quote above and from what I remember hearing in the now deleted test sample.
Have at it yourselves. Not an issue for me, I can live with or without it, no big deal.
EZKeys2 sound modules are all great, and I use it both for the functionality and the sounds.
Let me know if you’ve figured it out because when I tried to EQ it out (in Ez Keys 1) it’s really apparent around that 1000 Khz range but even bringing that down doesn’t seem to get rid of it.
Multi piano VSTi test.
Can’t test against https://soundcloud.com/justforyou-717762266/resonance as it’s now deleted.
Upshot: Slight “ringing” frequency at ~1300Hz ~E6 on all piano VSTi’s EZKeys 2 Ballad 1, The Giant Modern Studio, Pigments Pure Piano.
I didn’t test for different keys to see if the frequency is relative to what’s being played and hence shifts but still detectable as “ringing” overtone. Should be if it’s a consistent issue.
I also didn’t hear any higher frequency phasing issues, or see any high amplitude frequency content in the spectrum analysis possibly causing that.
Maybe some people are just more sensitive to this frequency, but it seems to be common enough across piano VST’s both sampled, synth, and layered.
Doesn’t bother me on or off.
I use EZKeys for both sound and functions, it’s fantastic at both. Back to playing now!
