EZD3 Big Rock Drums damping

[Jimi Watson]

I bought the Big Rock Drums pack with EZ drummer 3 a few days ago. The drums sounds generally are excellent. But….

The kick drum lasts for ages and is unusable without damping it down (like in real life). Is there really no way to control the damping or decay in EZ drummer???? If a drummer came in with a kick drum like that you would be stuffing things into it to control it, but here there is nothing! I put kick and snare through separate outs and put a transient shaper on them which helped, but even then it wasn’t tight enough. Also, you cannot do this for the bleed into the overheads, as it would ruin the cymbals.I can’t believe all the reviews didn’t mention this.

Am I missing something??

 

Thanks

EZdrummer version: 3.0.6
Operating system: macOS Ventura (13)

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[Mick Avoidant]

I’ve seen kick drums with pillows inside them, but there isn’t a setting for that in EZD. That ringing comes with the big bang you get from the kick and can easily become lost in the mix. If you can’t live with it at all, you can load any of the kicks from the three EZD rooms.

Click on the kick in the Drums tab. A box opens top left.

Click on the menu that says ‘Kick’. A menu saying ‘Big Rock Drums’ will show.

Click that and choose one of the listed rooms. You will get a list of the room’s kicks.

Left click on a kick to hear it and at the same time load it into your kit.

Tapping the Down arrow will let you hear the kicks without loading them.

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[Bear-Faced Cow]

If a drummer came in with a kick drum like that you would be stuffing things into it to control it

Not true. This pack is more for the slow-medium paced heavy rock songs. More along the lines of Led Zeppelin and the like. In many of those songs the kick rang out.

Did you have a listen to it on the web page before purchasing it?

jord

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Jordan L. Chilcott

Web Site: https://jordanchilcottmusic.com/

[Jimi Watson]

Yes I listened to them. I’ve only just bought EZ drummer and I’m flabbergasted there is no damping or decay parameter. It’s absolutely essential. Imagine if you asked a drummer in real life to damp his toms or snare and he said, “Sorry, that’s not possible!”

I am shocked and will be getting a refund. Probably.

It’s a shame because I think the sounds are great and the interface is really nice.

EZdrummer version: 3.0.6
Operating system: macOS Ventura (13)

• This post was modified 1 year, 1 month ago by Jimi Watson.

[Mick Avoidant]

Jimi Watson wrote:

Yes I listened to them. I’ve only just bought EZ drummer and I’m flabbergasted there is no damping or decay parameter. It’s absolutely essential. Imagine if you asked a drummer in real life to damp his toms or snare and he said, “Sorry, that’s not possible!”

I am shocked and will be getting a refund. Probably.

It’s a shame because I think the sounds are great and the interface is really nice.

EZdrummer version: 3.0.6
Operating system: macOS Ventura (13)

• This post was modified 1 year, 1 month ago by Jimi Watson.

Did you try loading a kick from one of the EZD rooms?

Superior Drummer 3 will give you the control you want. Thank you for setting thinking about how to cut off the long ringing.

There’s a way to do it in EZD, but you will need a DAW for it.

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[John]

Jimi Watson wrote:

Yes I listened to them. I’ve only just bought EZ drummer and I’m flabbergasted there is no damping or decay parameter. It’s absolutely essential. Imagine if you asked a drummer in real life to damp his toms or snare and he said, “Sorry, that’s not possible!”

I am shocked and will be getting a refund. Probably.

It’s a shame because I think the sounds are great and the interface is really nice.

EZdrummer version: 3.0.6
Operating system: macOS Ventura (13)

• This post was modified 1 year, 1 month ago by Jimi Watson.

Hi,

it is “EZdrummer” after all, its bigger brother Superior Drummer 3 lets you tweak envelopes even per articulation, among many things.

BR,
John

John Rammelt - Toontrack
Technical Advisor

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[Jimi Watson]

I use Pro Tools and I have a transient shaper in Neutron 4 I can use. It’s not great though. And as I said, you can’t do that on the OHs as it will make the cymbals weird.

Is there another way you know of?

EZdrummer version: 3.0.6
Operating system: macOS Ventura (13)

[Mick Avoidant]

Jimi Watson wrote:

I use Pro Tools and I have a transient shaper in Neutron 4 I can use. It’s not great though. And as I said, you can’t do that on the OHs as it will make the cymbals weird.

Is there another way you know of?

EZdrummer version: 3.0.6
Operating system: macOS Ventura (13)

What’s wrong with loading a kick from one of the other rooms? It’s no hassle and will give you what you want.

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[Jimi Watson]

Yes I’ve done that and that is good. I’m just used to BFD 3 (which is quite old now) and that has damping on each kit piece, as well as an envelope shaper in the mixer section, so I’m finding it hard, missing these things now.

[Mick Avoidant]

Jimi Watson wrote:

Yes I’ve done that and that is good. I’m just used to BFD 3 (which is quite old now) and that has damping on each kit piece, as well as an envelope shaper in the mixer section, so I’m finding it hard, missing these things now.

EZD is meant for a songwriter needing drums on a demo. You need Superior Drummer.

 

Try this: Each mixer channel has ‘Out 1/2’ at the bottom and which you change by clicking on it. You can assign it to a channel in your DAW. I don’t know how Pro Tools does it.

 

Even simpler is putting a gate on the drum track in Pro Tools.

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[Jimi Watson]

Hi John

Thanks for replying.

Yes Superior Drummer looks great (but expensive!) and I know EZD is more basic. I guess I feel that some sort of decay parameter is pretty basic stuff. SSD has lots of tweak ability and is a fair bit cheaper than EZD as well. I wouldn’t think a simple decay adjustment is too hard to add.

 

[Jimi Watson]

I think you’re right. I need to tweak. I know I can have it on a separate output and gate it but it’s not really the same thing. It won’t change what bleeds into the OHs, and gates can wreck the front of a drum hit as well.

I will have to look elsewhere.

Thanks for your input!

[Jimi Watson]

Mick Avoidant wrote:

Jimi Watson wrote:

Yes I’ve done that and that is good. I’m just used to BFD 3 (which is quite old now) and that has damping on each kit piece, as well as an envelope shaper in the mixer section, so I’m finding it hard, missing these things now.

EZD is meant for a songwriter needing drums on a demo. You need Superior Drummer.

 

Try this: Each mixer channel has ‘Out 1/2’ at the bottom and which you change by clicking on it. You can assign it to a channel in your DAW. I don’t know how Pro Tools does it.

 

Even simpler is putting a gate on the drum track in Pro Tools.

I think you’re right. I need to tweak. I know I can have it on a separate output and gate it but it’s not really the same thing. It won’t change what bleeds into the OHs, and gates can wreck the front of a drum hit as well.

I will have to look elsewhere.

Thanks for your input!

[Mick Avoidant]

Jimi Watson wrote:

I think you’re right. I need to tweak. I know I can have it on a separate output and gate it but it’s not really the same thing. It won’t change what bleeds into the OHs, and gates can wreck the front of a drum hit as well.

I will have to look elsewhere.

Thanks for your input!

I’ve gated a kick without losing the start of the hit. All it needs is the right threshold and release settings.

[Jimi Watson]

Mick Avoidant wrote:

Jimi Watson wrote:

I think you’re right. I need to tweak. I know I can have it on a separate output and gate it but it’s not really the same thing. It won’t change what bleeds into the OHs, and gates can wreck the front of a drum hit as well.

I will have to look elsewhere.

Thanks for your input!

I’ve gated a kick without losing the start of the hit. All it needs is the right threshold and release settings.

Yes absolutely you can. However, depending on the pattern being played and the gate settings, it can happen. It’s just a poor substitute for damping, that’s all.

[Bear-Faced Cow]

Then find a more suitable kick for the songs you are writing.

As John stated above, Superior Drummer is the drum design package and has all of the envelope features beyond BFD (I was a BFD user for 12 years, and I’m well aware of its features). EZ Drummer is for those who want mix ready drums.

jord

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Jordan L. Chilcott

Web Site: https://jordanchilcottmusic.com/

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