EZD2 & EZX Metal! Toms trigger Snare hits.

[Jackrhelliwell]

Hello!

I’ve got an issue with EZ Drummer 2 and EZX Metal! which could be happening to some other users that don’t know it yet.

I’ve routed my drums out individually to audio tracks in Pro Tools 11 as per usual with drum hosts like this so I can get ultimate flexibility in manipulating each kit element.

I’m using the Metal! original mix, which let’s me route all 5 toms out individually.

HOWEVER, when I try to swap the toms out for some of the more natural sounding toms from the EZD2 Modern pack the toms are triggering the snare.

There’s no dual triggered notes in the midi, as this is happening when I click on the toms before I’ve even bounced my audio down.

This occurs in Pro Tools 11 and in the stand alone program.

Using OSX 10.8.5 btw.

Here’s an image of a single tom hit, you can clearly see the snare has been triggered too:

Thanks!

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[Jackrhelliwell]

Small update, after doing some rerouting and soloing whilst trying different configurations I found that it’s not actually triggering the snare. What’s really happening is that the tom samples are ‘bleeding’ into the snare signal. Which is odd since the toms are routed to 6, 7, 8, 9 and 10 all hard panned and the snare is routed to 4, again hard panned.

[Juicy]

Bleeds just like a real drum kit does.
If your lucky you will find a preset that lets you control bleed if not its time to go up to SD2 or wait for SD3
which will hopefully have the nifty way of changing kit pieces much like EZd2 and better than SD2 with X drums.
SD2 lets you individually alter volumes of such bleed or turn them off.

[Narayana Cooper]

I don’t have DAW software on my PC as yet (getting a Steinberg UR-44 Audio Interface soon which comes with Cubase AI), but in standalone mode, click on the [MIXER] tab up towards top right of Toontrack UI screen, adjust various mic “bleed” settings there.
I have MetalHeads, though.

The [Snare] dial controls the amount of Bleed in the Snare’s bottom mic.

The [OH] dial controls the amount of Drums & Hi-Hat in the Overhead Channel.

[Amb] controls the amount of Cymbals & Hats in the Ambient Ch.

I have found from playing with these, that for Death &/or Black Metal, the pre-set of all bleed dials @ 100% actually sounds best, IMO.
A more effective thing to do is to 1st adjust all the faders to “tune” the kit, followed by: in the [DRUMS] Tab, opening up “track options” and adjusting the “Velocity” of what you need to, to suit your requirements.

Also, you may find that the drum sounds in the Modern pack that came with EZD2 might not be the most suitable for extreme metal as you may require sound presets with faster decay time for fast rolls & especially fast double-kick work, jst something to keep in mind.
Remember: These presets for ALL the various Metal EZX’s are created by pros in this particular field, so are pretty damn good as they are for a well polished, pro sounding mix when you add all the other song parts, etc, with all that distortion, etc…

[Jackrhelliwell]

@juicy said:

Bleeds just like a real drum kit does.
If your lucky you will find a preset that lets you control bleed if not its time to go up to SD2 or wait for SD3
which will hopefully have the nifty way of changing kit pieces much like EZd2 and better than SD2 with X drums.
SD2 lets you individually alter volumes of such bleed or turn them off.

I’ve been having that same mentality about it bleeding like a real kit and I’ve decided maybe it isn’t such a bad thing! I’ve begun to experiment with the ambient mics and will probably turn the bleed up on the OH to add more ‘realism’.

Thanks for the help, I think you’re right, SD3 [whenever it’s released] seems like the best choice for me!

@Narayana Cooper said:

Also, you may find that the drum sounds in the Modern pack that came with EZD2 might not be the most suitable for extreme metal as you may require sound presets with faster decay time for fast rolls & especially fast double-kick work, jst something to keep in mind.
Remember: These presets for ALL the various Metal EZX’s are created by pros in this particular field, so are pretty damn good as they are for a well polished, pro sounding mix when you add all the other song parts, etc, with all that distortion, etc…

I’ll bear that it mind, thanks

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