EZBass Observations/Bug with articulations

[Patrick_by_the_sea]

I create this short vid to illustrate my issues …. https://app.screencast.com/E5o7xiePKjueH … any help much appreciated.

EZbass version: 1.1.8
Operating system: Windows 10

All the best.
Patrick.

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[John]

Hi,

I am currently on a train with no headphones but it looks like you have a chord first with overlapping notes to a single note transition, a Grace Note up, am I right?

Is there any difference if you make sure there are no overlaps to the Grace Note?

BR,
John

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[Patrick_by_the_sea]

Hi John, I was in a hurray when I posted this so I didn’t really spell it out as much as I should have done.

Three issues:

i) I’m using a ‘short slide up’ and the note is triggering another out of tune note at the same time. At first I thought it was overlapping notes but I have tried shortening the note itself and the the two notes either side of it and the dissonance persists even when there is visibly no overlap. I can do another quick vid to illustrate if required.

PS. I’ve just had another listen – it’s not doing the slide up, it’s playing the starting note and the target note together. When you click on it in isolation it sounds fine.

ii) Playing two notes an octave apart only seem to sound the lower octave … example  Eb2/Eb3

iii) Playing the high Bb3 note sounds as if it has chorus on it?

Thanks for taking the time to reply.

Regards.

Patrick.

EZbass version: 1.1.8
Operating system: Windows 10

All the best.
Patrick.

• This post was modified 2 years, 6 months ago by Patrick_by_the_sea.

[John]

OK, can you please zip the EZbass Project file and attach to a post here?

BR,
John

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[Patrick_by_the_sea]

Hi John,

EZbass plug-in version 1.1.8 (build 37147) [64-bit VST 3]

SOUND LIBRARIES
EZbass Modern version 1.1.1
EZbass Vintage version 1.1.1

MIDI LIBRARIES
EZbass version 1.1.0

Project file attached.

PS When you open this project as a stand alone, the issue sounds a little different (but still not good) and the tempo has reverted to 120bpm … my project is at 105bpm

Patrick.

EZbass version: 1.1.8
Operating system: Windows 8

All the best.
Patrick.

[John]

Hi,

I just checked the Project and there is a lot of Sustain Pedal data in that part, so if you just tidy that up, the grace notes will sound as expected. If the Sustain is on, it doesn’t matter that you cut the end of the notes, they will still ring and I am not sure it’s supposed to work with ringing notes in a chord and adding a grace note in the middle of that.

Does this help?

BR,
John

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[Patrick_by_the_sea]

How do you turn sustain off? This was not a conscious choice. Do you mean just long overlapping notes?

I don’t believe there are any overlapping notes in this example.

Did you give any thought to the other observations:

i) Tempo change when saving EZB project

ii) Playing two notes an octave apart only seem to sound the lower octave … example  Eb2/Eb3

iii) Playing the high Bb3 note sounds as if it has chorus on it?

Patrick.

All the best.
Patrick.

[John]

Hi,

switch the lane below the notes from Velocity to Sustain, like in the attached screen shot, and you will see the Sustain Pedal data.
You also have some Damping data in your song.
You can select, edit and remove the data.

Regarding saved Tempo: When you insert EZbass as a plug-in in a host, it defaults to having ‘Follow Host’ enabled, which is in general the desired behaviour. This means EZbass disregards any Tempo information on its internal Song Track and only listens to which Tempo is sent from the host.
If you disable ‘Follow Host’, you will see that EZbass defaults to 120 bpm. If you set the Tempo to something else, either static or enter Tempo changes, alternatively import Tempo information from a MIDI file, this Tempo gets saved with your Project file, even if you have ‘Follow Host’ enabled in the plug-in when you Save.
So there’s nothing wrong there.

When I try playing the two octave notes (or any other) in your example, I have no trouble hearing both octaves. Was there such a passage in your Project?

I couldn’t hear a chorus effect when I played the Bb3 note but I will have to listen again when I get to the studio.

BR,
John

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[Patrick_by_the_sea]

Sorry for not getting back sooner John – things have moved on I guess. Ok – I take your answers and comments and I will see how I get on as I go through and will feedback If I still think there is a usability issues here but I guess if it’s only me mentioning it then there isn’t.

As an aside though the bass part I was struggling with was an EZK2 part that I used – somehow I imported it into EZB … maybe I just drag and dropped it, I can’t remember now but that sustain and damping information must have come from EZK as I certainly didn’t put it in there. Would you expect that to happen?

Thanks again.

EZbass version: 1.1.8
Operating system: Windows 10

All the best.
Patrick.

[Brad]

Patrick_by_the_sea wrote:

Sorry for not getting back sooner John – things have moved on I guess. Ok – I take your answers and comments and I will see how I get on as I go through and will feedback If I still think there is a usability issues here but I guess if it’s only me mentioning it then there isn’t.

As an aside though the bass part I was struggling with was an EZK2 part that I used – somehow I imported it into EZB … maybe I just drag and dropped it, I can’t remember now but that sustain and damping information must have come from EZK as I certainly didn’t put it in there. Would you expect that to happen?

Thanks again.

EZbass version: 1.1.8
Operating system: Windows 10

Hi Patrick,

Are you dragging dropping from the EZKeys song track to an EZBass Song Track or the Drums & Keys Tab?

EZbass version: 1.1.8
Operating system: macOS Ventura (13)

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[John]

Patrick_by_the_sea wrote:

s an aside though the bass part I was struggling with was an EZK2 part that I used – somehow I imported it into EZB … maybe I just drag and dropped it, I can’t remember now but that sustain and damping information must have come from EZK as I certainly didn’t put it in there. Would you expect that to happen?

Yes, as Brad is suggesting: if you drag MIDI directly from the EZkeys 2 Song Track or Grooves to te EZbass Song Track, it will include the Sustain data if present. If you drag MIDI with Sustain data to the EZbass Drums & Keys page, it will not be included when exported to the Song Track. If you just drag the Chords from the EZkeys 2 Song Track to the EZbass Song Track, it will not include Sustain data, since then it’s just the Chords.

BR,
John

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[Patrick_by_the_sea]

I can’t be sure Brad but I think I may have dropped it straight onto the track.

All the best.
Patrick.

[Patrick_by_the_sea]

Hi John, Does sustain and damping information have a place on a bass track?  Sustain is fx on bass and damping is handled with technique … no?

All the best.
Patrick.

[John]

Goodmonday Patrick,

Sustain (CC64) is for letting notes ring in EZbass, which makes it easier when you want to make two notes legato “connect” when you play, so I’d say it has its place.
The Damping (CC67) is simulating palm muting, which can be gradually applied just as when you use your hand to mute more or less.

BR,
John

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