EZ Drummer 3 E-Drum (MIDI mapping/learn) for SD3

[olliepudge]

Hey Toontrack,

The E-drum setup in EZD3 is awesome!  Learning notes is so easy.  Any chance you can add this same feature to SD3?  It would be so much easier.  I still struggle mapping my Mimic Pro in SD3.

Thanks!

Josh

• This post was modified 3 years, 2 months ago by olliepudge.

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[drumjack52]

MIDI learn already exists in SD3. It’s part of the MIDI in/Edrums page.

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Jack
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[olliepudge]

drumjack52 wrote:

MIDI learn already exists in SD3. It’s part of the MIDI in/Edrums page.

Superior Drummer 3 version: 3.3.0
Operating system: macOS High Sierra (10.13)

Thanks Jack.  I know it does, but they made it really simple in EZD3 under the E-Drums tab.  Hoping they can add the same setup to SD3.

[drumjack52]

olliepudge wrote:

drumjack52 wrote:

MIDI learn already exists in SD3. It’s part of the MIDI in/Edrums page.

Superior Drummer 3 version: 3.3.0
Operating system: macOS High Sierra (10.13)

Thanks Jack.  I know it does, but they made it really simple in EZD3 under the E-Drums tab.  Hoping they can add the same setup to SD3.

I don’t know about EZD3 but the one in SD3 is dead simple. Go to the MIDI-in/E drums page, click on the kit piece you want to learn and press the ‘learn’ button in the mapping tab. Then hit the pad on your e-kit. Done.  I’ve had SD3 for less than a week and it took me almost no time to figure it out. Then again I’ve read the manual.

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Jack
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[Bear-Faced Cow]

I see where the OP is going with this.

EZD3 methodology differs in that you select the kit piece first and then assign the MIDI, where SD3 is the opposite, starting with the MIDI.

Aside from TT weighing in as to its possibility, seeing as the mapping is more extensive in SD3, I probably wouldn’t expect such a change until SD4 as it is a significant change.

jord

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[drumjack52]

Bear-Faced Cow wrote:

I see where the OP is going with this.

EZD3 methodology differs in that you select the kit piece first and then assign the MIDI, where SD3 is the opposite, starting with the MIDI.

Aside from TT weighing in as to its possibility, seeing as the mapping is more extensive in SD3, I probably wouldn’t expect such a change until SD4 as it is a significant change.

jord

I beg to differ. In SD3 you pick the kit piece first and then do the MIDI. Actually I’ve been told by support that there is no MIDI remapping in EZD3 (nor was there in it’s predecessor).

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Jack
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PT 2021.6
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[Bear-Faced Cow]

I think you’re referring to the midi mapping on the Drums tab. That’s different than the Midi/e-Drum Settings to which the OP is referring to. And no one mentioned remapping.

jord

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Jordan L. Chilcott

Web Site: https://jordanchilcottmusic.com/

• This post was modified 3 years, 2 months ago by Bear-Faced Cow.

[olliepudge]

Bear-Faced Cow wrote:

I think you’re referring to the midi mapping on the Drums tab. That’s different than the Midi/e-Drum Settings to which the OP is referring to. And no one mentioned remapping.

jord

• This post was modified 3 years, 2 months ago by Bear-Faced Cow.

Correct Jord.  I also noticed I’m due for an SD3 update, so they could’ve added something I’m missing.  I’ll check that out.  They might have added this already.

Under the E-Drums tab in EZD3, you can select each drum, hit the learn button and it’s done.  You can do this for the rim, rimshots, and center hits.  Even the cymbal mutes can be learned.  Just thought it was pretty slick.

I’m hoping someone from Toontrack will respond to this eventually.  Thanks for your input guys.

Josh

[Bear-Faced Cow]

In some ways it is nice, and in other ways it can be rather cumbersome, especially when it came to setting up Drummer mappings for Logic. Either way, SD3 hasn’t changed its mapping workflow methodology at this time. Like I said previously, it is probably something we will have to see when SD4 comes out.

Jord

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Jordan L. Chilcott

Web Site: https://jordanchilcottmusic.com/

[drumjack52]

Bear-Faced Cow wrote:

I think you’re referring to the midi mapping on the Drums tab. That’s different than the Midi/e-Drum Settings to which the OP is referring to. And no one mentioned remapping.

jord

• This post was modified 3 years, 2 months ago by Bear-Faced Cow.

I am referring to the MIDI/e-drums part of SD3. That’s all I ever been talking about. Go to the 4th post down on this page (the second one of mine) and you’ll see that I am referring to the MIDI/e-drums page.

Jack
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Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
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[Bear-Faced Cow]

The MIDI In/E-Drum Settings is a MIDI first workflow. It is not instrument first as you’re claiming. Look at the piano roll.

This is an instrument first workflow:

I’ve been making enough mappings over the years and with various drum software to know the differences in workflows.

jord

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Jordan L. Chilcott

Web Site: https://jordanchilcottmusic.com/

• This post was modified 3 years, 2 months ago by Bear-Faced Cow.

[drumjack52]

In your workflow that only changes the mapping for a specific kitpiece in that specific kit. And THAT messes up the mapping for the grooves that one might use that are part of the program. The workflow I’m using and the manual recommends is for when there isn’t a mapping for a controller a person has and THAT works across all kits and doesn’t mess up the MIDI assignments for built-in grooves. If the mapping is for a specific controller it should be done in the MIDI/e-drums page.

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Jack
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Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
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[Bear-Faced Cow]

Absolutely false especially in the case of EZD3. The picture at the bottom IS how the MIDI In/E-drum Settings work. I have already created a couple of maps that are radically different (one for Logic Pro X Drummer and another for Reason’s Kong/Redrum) that work across every EZX I own. So, it’s no use trying to tell me that the workflow doesn’t work when I am already working it just fine. Again, it sounds like you are confusing this with SD3’s mapping on the Drum tab, which is preset/project specific. Even then, it doesn’t work the same way you believe it does, as I have also created about seven maps in SD3 along with some preset adjustments that work quite fine as I change through a bunch of SDX’s, and I have more than enough to satisfy any tests. SD3 is definitely not my first rodeo as far as drum map construction is concerned.

jord

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Jordan L. Chilcott

Web Site: https://jordanchilcottmusic.com/

[John]

olliepudge wrote:

Under the E-Drums tab in EZD3, you can select each drum, hit the learn button and it’s done.  You can do this for the rim, rimshots, and center hits.  Even the cymbal mutes can be learned.  Just thought it was pretty slick. I’m hoping someone from Toontrack will respond to this eventually.  Thanks for your input guys.

Hi,
it’s different in SD3, in the latest update as well. For me, the SD3 way is preferable but that’s me. I think it’s more compact and tidy in SD3; I select an instrument in the list, see what articulations are available (if any aren’t loaded), select what trigger I want to Learn, then click ‘Learn’ and select the next articulation, click Learn, hit Trigger, etc. I do not have to see the ‘Strike a note on your e-kit to assign…’ dialogue for every note.

Anyways, the 2 products are aimed at different type of users and have different workflows. If SD3 users want the EZ workflows implemented, ,who knows?
Feel free to post a Request in the Requests & Feedback section, it is monitored.
Info about what is coming/in development is never communicated via the Forum, however.

BR,
John

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[drumjack52]

John wrote:

olliepudge wrote:

Under the E-Drums tab in EZD3, you can select each drum, hit the learn button and it’s done.  You can do this for the rim, rimshots, and center hits.  Even the cymbal mutes can be learned.  Just thought it was pretty slick. I’m hoping someone from Toontrack will respond to this eventually.  Thanks for your input guys.

Hi,
it’s different in SD3, in the latest update as well. For me, the SD3 way is preferable but that’s me. I think it’s more compact and tidy in SD3; I select an instrument in the list, see what articulations are available (if any aren’t loaded), select what trigger I want to Learn, then click ‘Learn’ and select the next articulation, click Learn, hit Trigger, etc. I do not have to see the ‘Strike a note on your e-kit to assign…’ dialogue for every note.

Anyways, the 2 products are aimed at different type of users and have different workflows. If SD3 users want the EZ workflows implemented, ,who knows?
Feel free to post a Request in the Requests & Feedback section, it is monitored.
Info about what is coming/in development is never communicated via the Forum, however.

BR,
John

Thank you John for posting this. I like the way the mapping works in SD3. Simple and succinct. I don’t have EZ3 so can’t comment on that. Certainly a lot easier than in the drum program I was using before.

Superior Drummer 3 version: 3.3.0
Operating system: macOS High Sierra (10.13)

Jack
aka musicman691 on other forums
Superior Drummer 3.4.0
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram

[Bear-Faced Cow]

Hands down SD3 is easier to map than all of the previous drum software I was using. Not to mention easier to make far better drum mixes.

There are some occasions where I do prefer the way EZD3 maps drums, however. I’m almost one to suggest both layouts.

jord

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