exporting midi from tracker to tracks in the right tempo

[nico.vedts]

Hi
I ve just mapped 4 songs , each on a different tempo on click in protools, from a live drum. The 4 songs are all in one track.
I now want to export those songs to the track in the bottom, to fit the songs in protools again but the midi track is all over the place.
I did leave ‘import tempo” checked. “follow host” is on.
I programmed a tempo map exactly the same as in protools , but somehow it wont fit the midi with the actual songs.

What am i missing here?

Operating system: Windows 11

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[Shootie]

If I understand you correctly…

Add the Tempo Changes manually in SD3.

OR

Drag the midi out of SD3 into your Pro Tools Instrument channel (now it will obey pro tools tempo changes), and export midi from pro tools.

If you just tell SD3 to export something, it will not follow host because the host is not playing. It doesn’t understand there are tempo changes.

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[nico.vedts]

Hey

I don’t want it to leave SD3.
I have dragged 4 audio files (kick,snr,& 2 toms) into the tracker section. I have made the corrections , triggered and detriggered the faulty notes. Now that is done, i clicked theblue export button and all the 4 tracks are in a midi track called “all tracks combined”
I dragged that track to the “grid editor/song track ” in the bottom to the first bar. My 1st song in PT starts at bar 304, but in the SD3 timeline my first song only starts at bar 650.
The SD3 manual says you can make your own tempo-map in the SD3 “grid editor/songtrack”, so i did. Yet the midi file just doesnt line up with the tempo, and the songs start at random points.
Basically everything sounds fine in protools as long as i listen to the mididrums when they re in the tracker section. but as soon as i drag it to the grid below it just does whatever.

I tried dragging it when the song was playing , and its closer now. But still not synced to the song though

• This post was modified 7 months, 3 weeks ago by nico.vedts.

[nico.vedts]

I just got a little closer by setting the tempo track in the “tracker section” and it works for the first half.
I wanna do the rest, but now the startpoint in the tracker doesnt align with the one  in PT. I suspect its cause i tampered with the tempo i guess.
Oh christ what a pain in the balls

[Bear-Faced Cow]

Why not just grab the piece of the song that has drums in it and put it in its own session and work with that to get the MIDI? Are you also making sure that the tempo is aligned to the beats of your audio? I’ve used the Tracker for many songs and it’s pretty straightforward.

Jord

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Jordan L. Chilcott

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[nico.vedts]

Hey Jord
i ended up cutting the songs in pieces per tempo, and processed them seperately. I got there in the end, but theres gotta be a better way. I feel like im using it as designed ,and the way the instruction video shows,  but somehow it doesnt play nice with tempo changes. Surely i cant be the only one that uses it to audioreplace  multiple tempo songs with the tracker?
I ve used it for years and it IS pretty straightforward, but i always worked around having to map a song with tempo changes.
All the audio was recorded and quantized to the protools clicktrack/grid, but SD3 seems to not recognise it. Even when i managed the first 2 songs with creating a tempo track in the tracker, when i got to the 3rd song the start point of the beat in protools didnt match the startpoint of the beat in tracker.
It s just weird.
Did i forget to check some setting in PT or SD3 ? i dont know…

• This post was modified 7 months, 3 weeks ago by nico.vedts.

[Bear-Faced Cow]

I’d be lying if I said it was a quick and easy process. I mean, for some songs, yes I could be in and out of the Tracer in a matter or minutes… 10 tops. However, for songs with multiple tempos, it’s going to take work lining up the bars. Sometimes you have to go bar by bar to ensure that everything lines up. Even with a click track, drummers are not exact. Even some of the greatest songs of our time that were in a single tempo sometimes varied between 15-20bps throughout. I’ve stem split a few of them to grab the drums to put in the tracker and I’ve found it more optimal to handle the song in chunks. The variances are more manageable. Yes, it’s work, but it’s still far faster (and easier in many respects) than doing drum replacement the old way.

jord

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Jordan L. Chilcott

Web Site: https://jordanchilcottmusic.com/

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[Mark King]

I enable midi out in sd3 and record the midi in my DAW (midi track not outputting to anything so avoiding a loop) while sd3 follows the song. This is done in real time but saves messing with tempo tracks. Probably not suitable for you as I have all my midi in my DAW anyway and never in sd3. Also it only works if it’s one long audio clip/clips which is the same as in the DAW. When recorded I can then aim the midi track at sd3 and it’s perfectly in time.

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• This post was modified 7 months, 3 weeks ago by Mark King.

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[nico.vedts]

Mark, that s an interesting approach.
massive turnaround in workflow though. But i might look into that in the future

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