export and import midi layouts

[Demious]

To be able to remmember the position of instruments, I want to create a standard midi layout for all my drum kits and copy this layout to all my kits. How do I export and import a midi layout?

Superior Drummer 3 version: 3.1.2
Operating system: Windows 10

Cheers!
Maarten

Mac Pro, Catalina, Studio One 5 Pro, Quantum2626

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[John]

Hi,

 

in the MIDI In/E-drums Settings, please click ‘Use Preset’ and start tweaking the Default to build your own preset.

When done, you ‘Save As…’ and this User Preset can be selected for previously created Projects. If you save a Default Project with this Preset active, it will be applied when you start a new Project.

 

BR,

John

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[Brooks H]

I have a suggestion regarding dragging MIDI out. It would be great to have an option for the resulting MIDI to maintain the user mapping.

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[Bear-Faced Cow]

Brooks H wrote:

I have a suggestion regarding dragging MIDI out. It would be great to have an option for the resulting MIDI to maintain the user mapping.

I get the MIDI notes according to the MIDI map I chose when I drag a groove into Logic.

jord

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Jordan L. Chilcott

Web Site: https://jordanchilcottmusic.com/

[Brooks H]

Bear-Faced Cow wrote:

Brooks H wrote:

I have a suggestion regarding dragging MIDI out. It would be great to have an option for the resulting MIDI to maintain the user mapping.

I get the MIDI notes according to the MIDI map I chose when I drag a groove into Logic.

jord

Really? Do you only change the MIDI In map or do you also change the internal MIDI standard?

 

I use a custom MIDI In map, but when I drag the recorded MIDI out (or included MIDI), it’s in the SD3 format and of course doesn’t play correctly. And support in the pre-purchase section confirmed (prior to) that’s the intended result.

 

If you can tell me what you’re doing to get MIDI into Logic to maintain your custom mapping, it would be greatly appreciated. My finger drum mapping is crucial. It would help if I could leave the SD3 ecosystem without worrying about mapping afterwards.

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[Bear-Faced Cow]

Are you defining your drum mapping within SD3? If you’re transposing MIDI within Logic, I can see such issues.

Also a finger drummer.

jord

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Jordan L. Chilcott

Web Site: https://jordanchilcottmusic.com/

[Brooks H]

Bear-Faced Cow wrote:

Are you defining your drum mapping within SD3? If you’re transposing MIDI within Logic, I can see such issues.

Also a finger drummer.

jord

I’m new to SD3 and am still deciding on workflow. But yes, I’ve set up my map in SD3. Finger drumming patterns in SD3 and/or Logic is working fine.

I don’t lean on them often, but I have MIDI from elsewhere. GM & Addictive Drums in addition to patterns I’ve recorded over the years.

And SD3 exporting MIDI with the default mapping is a bit of a pain when needing to edit.

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[Henrik Ekblom]

Brooks H wrote:

And SD3 exporting MIDI with the default mapping is a bit of a pain when needing to edit.

If you are using the E-drums/MIDI In MIDI mapping, then you can disable that mapping prior to exporting any MIDI, to keep the original mapping for the exported MIDI.

Henrik Ekblom - User Experience Designer
Toontrack

[Brooks H]

Henrik Ekblom wrote:

Brooks H wrote:

And SD3 exporting MIDI with the default mapping is a bit of a pain when needing to edit.

If you are using the E-drums/MIDI In MIDI mapping, then you can disable that mapping prior to exporting any MIDI, to keep the original mapping for the exported MIDI.

I’m getting confused. My goal is to export MIDI with my custom mapping intact. Is that possible? If so, how would I do that?

 

In my pre-purchase thread you said MIDI will be dropped to my DAW with SD3’s MIDI mapping despite my custom MIDI-In map. My experience confirms that; When I drop to Logic, I get the default SD3 mapping and have to change the MIDI In mapping back to default to get things to play correctly, only to need an edit and have to change it back to custom, and so on… Not at all workflow friendly.

 

Bear-Faced Cow seems to be saying he can drop to Logic with his custom mapping intact. If someone can confirm this and provide instructions, I’d be extremely grateful.

 

If what I’m hoping for is not possible, I guess the answer is to stay in the SD3 sequencer. The problem is jumping back & forth between sequencers is extremely inconvenient.

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[Brooks H]

@Bear-Faced Cow, @Henrik, anyone…

There seems to be implications that I can drag & drop from SD3 and keep my user MIDI In mapping. I’d really appreciate if someone could tell me how.

 

Thanks!

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[Brooks H]

Hello, ello, ello, lo, lo, lo…

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[Henrik Ekblom]

Brooks H wrote:

@Bear-Faced Cow, @Henrik, anyone…

There seems to be implications that I can drag & drop from SD3 and keep my user MIDI In mapping. I’d really appreciate if someone could tell me how.

 

Thanks!

Can you explain what you want to accomplish here? I think it’s easier for me (or anyone else) to answer if it’s possible to achieve what you want to, instead of me trying to explain how the entire handling of MIDI is done in SD3 🙂

For example, write something like:

• Drag in a MIDI file, where the kick is on note 38
• Change something so that imported MIDI file plays back correctly
• Drag the MIDI file to Logic
  • Will the MIDI file play the the kick correctly?

Henrik Ekblom - User Experience Designer
Toontrack

[Brooks H]

Henrik Ekblom wrote:

Brooks H wrote:

@Bear-Faced Cow, @Henrik, anyone…

There seems to be implications that I can drag & drop from SD3 and keep my user MIDI In mapping. I’d really appreciate if someone could tell me how.

 

Thanks!

Can you explain what you want to accomplish here? I think it’s easier for me (or anyone else) to answer if it’s possible to achieve what you want to, instead of me trying to explain how the entire handling of MIDI is done in SD3 🙂

For example, write something like:

• Drag in a MIDI file, where the kick is on note 38
• Change something so that imported MIDI file plays back correctly
• Drag the MIDI file to Logic
  • Will the MIDI file play the the kick correctly?

I thought I did. I don’t remember the notes of my custom layout as I use it on a 4×4 pad layout. Hopefully that’s not necessary to get an answer. What I’m hoping to do is:

1. Activate my custom map in SD3
2. Record using custom map, either in SD3 or direct to Logic
3. Drag & drop that MIDI into Logic (or MPC software occasionally) if I record in SD3 with the custom mapping intact so that I can…
4. Trigger SD3 with the MIDI in Logic, with custom mapping still activated so that I can…
5. Edit MIDI in Logic using my custom mapping for the duration of writing/composing

As it stands, I’m stuck jumping back & forth between SD3’s sequencer (drums/percussion) & Logic’s (all other instruments) as the custom mapping is unusable once I drag & drop to Logic.

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Studio One v5.5.2, Cubase v12.0.60
3.6GHz Intel i9 iMac, 64GB RAM, OS 12.6.1

[Brooks H]

In case it is necessary, the most used articulations of my custom map:

 

Ab1 = Floor Tom 2, A1 = Rack Tom 3, Bb1 = Rack Tom 1, B1 = Cymbal 1

E1 = Hat Open, F1 = Hat Tip, Gb1 = Hat Shank, G1 = Ride

C1 = Side Stick, Db1 = Rimshot, D1 = Snare Center, Eb1 = Side Stick

Ab0 = Cymbal 2, A0 = Kick Hit, Bb0 = Kick Open, B0 =  Cymbal 3

 

I need this custom map active to play/record throughout the writing process, with the MIDI in the Logic/MPC(software) sequencer along side MIDI for all other instruments for efficient editing/recording.

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[Henrik Ekblom]

You can do like this

• Create a custom map in SD3, that makes your pad play the wanted drums
• Record MIDI to either Logic or SD3
  • If you record the MIDI to Logic, the MIDI won’t be affected
    • It will be mapped when going into SD3
  • If you record to SD3, the MIDI will be transformed by the mapping
    •  When you drag the MIDI out from SD3, the MIDI won’t be “de-transformed”, e.g. you should disable the incoming MIDI mapping in this scenario

You can also change the internal MIDI mapping of SD3, which will make the core MIDI play the wrong instruments, but your pad will always play the correct instruments. Doing this isn’t as simple as using the MIDI In Mapping page, since that is designed to be able to be preserved even when changing Drums and Mixer Preset (sound preset), or Library

Henrik Ekblom - User Experience Designer
Toontrack

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Thanked by: Brooks H

[Brooks H]

Yes, recording direct to Logic has been working great, except it doesn’t allow use of some SD3 features, which is why I was hoping for…

 

Henrik Ekblom wrote:

…If you record to SD3, the MIDI will be transformed by the mapping  When you drag the MIDI out from SD3, the MIDI won’t be “de-transformed”, e.g. you should disable the incoming MIDI mapping in this scenario…

Ahhhh, disable the mapping prior to dragging out? I must’ve tried everything EXCEPT that.

Thanks!

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Thanked by: Henrik Ekblom

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