phaineHi, folks —
My goal with SD3 is to play live from my Roland V-Drums TD-30 module. However I am hearing static and dropouts as I play, making it unusable for my purposes.
Here are some findings and things I tried:
• The issue is unique to SD3; ** it doesn’t happen with EZ Drummer **, even with buffer as small as 64. (It’s the clean sound of EZD that gave me the confidence to fork out for SD3)
• I’ve varied the buffer size on SD3. The static does happen less with larger buffer, but it still happens. (I need a smaller buffer to preserve low latency for live playing.)
• Mac is 2.6 GHz Core i5, with 16 GB RAM with Mojave. Freshly rebooted. Nothing of consequence running. Activity Monitor shows CPU levels low to moderate.
• I tried increasing the number of CPU cores from 4 to 6 (out of 8)
• I tried going down 16 bit samples
• I’ve tried different audio out configurations: headphones on the Mac, audio going out through USB to the TD-30, and audio going through USB to Scarlett 2i4. No avail.
• I’ve only used SD3 in standalone mode.
• I’ve surfed for answers but my experience doesn’t seem to be common out there. The issue looks similar to this: https://www.vdrums.com/forum/advanced/vst-samples/1201447-td-50-sd3-sound-quality-problem
I am concerned because I just shelled out $400 for SD3 plus $100 for an external SSD to host the samples, and so far it’s looking unusable.
What should I try next?
Thank you in advance,
Philip
Henrik EkblomCan you run a quick test and set the numbers of CPU to 1? In some cases this has helped, especially when running SD3 in Logic.
Henrik Ekblom - User Experience Designer
Toontrack
phaineThank you for the quick reply, Henrik — and also, really great job with the UX design!
I tried 1 CPU and this did not improve matters.
Philip
Horst BauerI have the same problem with SD3 . I use a Roland V-Drums TD-10 test it with the Alesis d4 and a Fame DD. EZD have no dropouts. Addictive Drums work fine also Steve Slate Drums and BFD3 .Only SD3 has these dropouts when playing live.
EZD is more stable than the expensive SD3 version.
OSX Mojave 10.14.6
16 GB
I7 with 3.5Ghz
BradWhat buffer size do you have set in SD3? Have you tried increase it and does that help?
Have you tried different presets?
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Thanked by: Horst BauerHorst BauerThanks Brad
Buffer setting is 256. I’ve tried many presets. It is also the case without effects and reduced volume.
I changed the buffer size in all directions. But that brought no change.
Rico790Did you find a solution for it ? I didnt like either SD3 so far
I have a TD-17 KVX and when playing the drums its sounds really bad
JohnHi,
what audio interface are you guys using?
would it be possible to record what it sounds like when it sounds bad?
BR,
John
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sydney3503I’m going through the Exact situation, did you ever find the solution? I have tried everything you can think of the static won’t go away I’m giving up! I feel like I wasted money buying SD3. Please let me know.
BradI’m going through the Exact situation, did you ever find the solution? I have tried everything you can think of the static won’t go away I’m giving up! I feel like I wasted money buying SD3. Please let me know.
What interface you using? What are your buffer settings? Is this happening within a DAW or standalone? Mac or Windows?
What trouble shooting have you done so far?
Mac Studio M1 Max, RAM 64 GB, 1TB Drive, OSX 12.x/13.x and Windows 10 (VM)
DAW: Studio One Pro (always up to date)
DTX Express III (Extreme triggers), Nektar LX88
OWC Thunderbay Mini (4 X 1TB Sata SSD), Express 4M2 (4 X 2TB M.2 SSD), Envoy Express (1TB M.2 SSD)
Presonus Quantum, Faderport & Faderport 8
Black Lion Sparrow Mk2 A/D, FMR-RNP-RNC, MIDI Xpress 128, BM5A, KRK VXT4, Equator D5
2020 Macbook Pro 16GB RAM, 512GB SSD Audio(mobile rig)
sydney3503Thanks Brad! I’m using steignberg UR44 2017 (sound card) MacBook Pro. I’m using SD3 in Reason 10 haven’t used standalone yet, currently the buffer size I’m on is 128 this allows me to play drums with my fingers without latency issues. If I push the buffer size up to 4,098 which is the maximum the static becomes a little better but it’s still there but I won’t be able to play drums due to latency . I also I have eazy drummer it plays perfectly fine on the same computer, but I want SD3 drum samples they are just clean and modern. Because of this static I haven’t used my new SD3 it’s just not possible.
Bradwould you mind trying it in standalone? 128 should be more than ample. I can push my old Antelope Zen down to 32 standalone, 64 in Studio One if I am just running SD3 and some audio without too many plugins.
Steinberg support is showing a driver up to 10.15.x. Were you running Catalina before or is this a new rig with Big Sur installed?
Mac Studio M1 Max, RAM 64 GB, 1TB Drive, OSX 12.x/13.x and Windows 10 (VM)
DAW: Studio One Pro (always up to date)
DTX Express III (Extreme triggers), Nektar LX88
OWC Thunderbay Mini (4 X 1TB Sata SSD), Express 4M2 (4 X 2TB M.2 SSD), Envoy Express (1TB M.2 SSD)
Presonus Quantum, Faderport & Faderport 8
Black Lion Sparrow Mk2 A/D, FMR-RNP-RNC, MIDI Xpress 128, BM5A, KRK VXT4, Equator D5
2020 Macbook Pro 16GB RAM, 512GB SSD Audio(mobile rig)
sydney3503Sure let me try stand-alone, and see how it works. I have always liked using it within daw cause it’s easy and faster for me. And yes it’s a new rig I’m running latest Big Sur. I will also try to download latest steignbeg drivers.
BradRunning it in standalone is just to see if the problem is between Reason 10 and the sound card. You should be able to run it in a DAW.
These are just debugging, steps.
And yeah try playing around with the buffer in SD3 standalone, just to see what’s happening.
It’s not clipping is it?
As always, driver updates…. Ugh…
I have to ask, is it an M1 processor or Intel?
Mac Studio M1 Max, RAM 64 GB, 1TB Drive, OSX 12.x/13.x and Windows 10 (VM)
DAW: Studio One Pro (always up to date)
DTX Express III (Extreme triggers), Nektar LX88
OWC Thunderbay Mini (4 X 1TB Sata SSD), Express 4M2 (4 X 2TB M.2 SSD), Envoy Express (1TB M.2 SSD)
Presonus Quantum, Faderport & Faderport 8
Black Lion Sparrow Mk2 A/D, FMR-RNP-RNC, MIDI Xpress 128, BM5A, KRK VXT4, Equator D5
2020 Macbook Pro 16GB RAM, 512GB SSD Audio(mobile rig)
sydney3503Just found out I had not installed standalone so it’s installing right now. Hopefully it’s the sound card that has the issue I can always buy another one. Also yes it’s M1. Also the latest steignberg driver didn’t help. I also forgot to mention that I’m running on 8gb of memory: could that be the problem? But at the same time Eazy drummer running smooth no issues.
BradMan, you’re in uncharted territory…. I will probably wait until 2022 to jump on the Apple Mx Wagon… but you know I’m going to do it….
Going through Rosetta 2 with an unsupported audio interface. Surprised that you have gotten this far, so good on ya.
Some of the SD3 kits and presets are quite hefty in the memory department, so 8gb RAM is pretty light. Might want to check resource usage as well.
You could try loading them at 16 bits just to see if there’s any difference. They will load a little slower but worth a try. Will take less RAM.
In the name of “science”… could you try witching to the internal sound card to see if there’s any difference? (just off the top of my bald head)
Mac Studio M1 Max, RAM 64 GB, 1TB Drive, OSX 12.x/13.x and Windows 10 (VM)
DAW: Studio One Pro (always up to date)
DTX Express III (Extreme triggers), Nektar LX88
OWC Thunderbay Mini (4 X 1TB Sata SSD), Express 4M2 (4 X 2TB M.2 SSD), Envoy Express (1TB M.2 SSD)
Presonus Quantum, Faderport & Faderport 8
Black Lion Sparrow Mk2 A/D, FMR-RNP-RNC, MIDI Xpress 128, BM5A, KRK VXT4, Equator D5
2020 Macbook Pro 16GB RAM, 512GB SSD Audio(mobile rig)
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