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I have been having a blast with EZPLAYER and ez drummer.
After working for awhile to learn it all, I am confused about when to record to MIDI in Digital Performer and MIDI doubling.
Here’s the problem:
Ezplayer is playing through live into 3 different drum machines and all is well. Each MIDI track is record enabled to allow ezplayer to go into it and then into the various drum machines.
But if I record ANYTHing in Performer, either another midi part, or audio etc, the midi that was going into the various tracks from ezplayer, gets recorded into DP’s midi tracks that are sending to my drums VIs. and on next playback, it is doubling with the live midi coming from explayer. I can of course, have the play enable buttons OFF on the midi tracks, which means that upon 2nd and subsequent playbacks there is no doubling, but each record pass of lets say a guitar etc, adds yet another layer of the same midi. After 10 passes, I will have 10 layers of the same drum parts. If I accidentally play enable one of those drum tracks,,BOOm, it;s gonna be a mess. It seems kind of silly to have to record layers and layers of midi onto the midi drum tracks.
WHat is the strategy for this?
I know I could also record the midi once and then shut off the midi inputs from ez player and just run the midi from Performer, but if I want to go back into ez player again, I will have to erase the midi info from performer and record enable the various drum midi tracks again.
I think I am not quite understanding the best strategy as to how to do all of this?
Thanks everyone@
OS 10.6.8/Digital Performer 7.24/Midi Timepiece AV/MOTU 828 mkII/Waves/Blue Tubes/Ozone /T Racks/Tons of Vi’s including EZ drummer
I have been having a blast with EZPLAYER and ez drummer.
After working for awhile to learn it all, I am confused about when to record to MIDI in Digital Performer and MIDI doubling.
Here’s the problem:
Ezplayer is playing through live into 3 different drum machines and all is well. Each MIDI track is record enabled to allow ezplayer to go into it and then into the various drum machines.
But if I record ANYTHing in Performer, either another midi part, or audio etc, the midi that was going into the various tracks from ezplayer, gets recorded into DP’s midi tracks that are sending to my drums VIs. and on next playback, it is doubling with the live midi coming from explayer. I can of course, have the play enable buttons OFF on the midi tracks, which means that upon 2nd and subsequent playbacks there is no doubling, but each record pass of lets say a guitar etc, adds yet another layer of the same midi. After 10 passes, I will have 10 layers of the same drum parts. If I accidentally play enable one of those drum tracks,,BOOm, it;s gonna be a mess. It seems kind of silly to have to record layers and layers of midi onto the midi drum tracks.
WHat is the strategy for this?
I know I could also record the midi once and then shut off the midi inputs from ez player and just run the midi from Performer, but if I want to go back into ez player again, I will have to erase the midi info from performer and record enable the various drum midi tracks again.
I think I am not quite understanding the best strategy as to how to do all of this?
Thanks everyone@
OS 10.6.8/Digital Performer 7.24/Midi Timepiece AV/MOTU 828 mkII/Waves/Blue Tubes/Ozone /T Racks/Tons of Vi’s including EZ drummer
The question “why is this is so” sounds really dumb when hearing the higher level product has that feature. It is totally understandable that the higher product would have better features and you’ve probably given me my best reason yet to get superior.
But for now, I am having too much fun buying and trying libraries. I’m totally diggin the Nashville set, (it bites!), and its really cool to try midi from the monster midi pack and others on various kits. Now…had NO version been able to mix kit pieces, then I would really be asking “why”. But, as it stands now, you guys are totally fine with me for having that feature ONLY in the better product..I suppose the mixer has more capabilities in Superior too? The overheads and lack of dry verses overhead send, and the cymbals, are the weakest aspect of ezdrummer, (if you can call an AMAZING product like you have “weak”). That is probably not the right word. But I would welcome more control over the overheads and dry pieces.
By the way , is there individual control over the amount of over head send “per kit piece”, in superior?
Is there touch sensitivity adjust per kit piece?
And, are there more layers of samples on cymbals? Cymbals are always the weakest part of drums. I would also like to see more cymbal swells. I found one in the DKFH, but I’d like more swells and even more variability on rides. Now, of course, I am being VERY picky. Because this is a wonderful product. And I got it for 29oo which is truly stealing…lol
But if you know of an expansion that has a large variety of cym swells, tell me and I will get it.
The jazz kit is “OK”, and has been my least favorite expansion, though it is pretty cool too. But I come from a heavy Jazz background playing with likes of Joe Pass etc, so, jazz is a tough sell for me. It seems like that pack was made awhile back by the look of the installer and, thus, I think it is not a “deep’ as the newer kits and their midi libraries, which is understandable if I am correct. As your company grows, it;s standards get higher and higher, budgets improve etc. Therefore there seems to be a difference in the newer expansions depth. But the Jazz kit could use more of the depth the other kits have, though it isn;t bad at all. (Though the improvised parts of each drummer are VERY cool with lots of beats in one if one wanted to edit).
Anyway, back to my fun with your wonderful product.
Dave
OS 10.6.8/Digital Performer 7.24/Midi Timepiece AV/MOTU 828 mkII/Waves/Blue Tubes/Ozone /T Racks/Tons of Vi’s including EZ drummer
products, particularly sound libraries, do indeed push the boundaries all the time (which is in fact the constant challenge for our programmers), but I would disagree that the ‘Jazz’ EZX suffers from having been released early on, I simply think that it is not easy to do an EZX that ticks all the boxes for the Jazz crowd. It is not to say I think it is a poor offering though, just that the expectation is higher, possibly, compared to any other.
Anyway, this topic having derailed, I’ll say again that the Superior manual is a very good read (it is available free from your Toontrack account, under the Downloads section). I think it will answer most your other questions here. In addition I’ll send you a preliminary email today, before I head off for lunch, get back for a few hours trying to rush through everything I was supposed to do this week that I of course got behind with, and finally fall asleep on the sofa, as I do every Friday night
All that to say that I’m unlikely to be able to answer further questions here later on, but will check next week for further thoughts or questions (that I can answer). Have a good weekend!
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