Deleting MIDI in one Song Block Alters the MIDI in other song blocks

[Billy 86]

Working on a song. There is a Chorus that repeats three times. After some trial and error, I’ve got a nice MIDI performance based on one of my EZ Bass midi packs. It’s in chorus No. 2. I simply want to copy the MIDI to the Chorus No. 3, but when I do, the other TWO chorus sections go haywire and the MIDI changes in those sections to something I don’t even recognize.

I’ve attached a screen cap. The white cursor is pointing to the MIDI block I can erase, but when I do the other two chorus sections (indicated with red arrows) are altered in a bizarre way.

I tried to delete the entire Chorus 3 and copy/paste Chorus 2 there, but as soon as I delete Chorus 3 the other TWO chorus’ MIDI gets whacked out the same as if I just try to replace the Chorus 3 Midi. In addition to trying to delete, I’ve also tried to copy the midi from Chorus 2 and paste into the existing midi block in Chorus 3, with the same result; as soon as I “paste” into 3, the other two Chorus sections are populated with some weird midi info. Sometimes I know it can help to reboot in case some “ghost in the machine” weirdness crept in somewhere, but that didn’t help either. I simply can’t copy midi from one block to the other without it whacking out.

What’s going on??? Thanks for any ideas.

 

SD3, EZD, EZ Keys 1&2, EZ Bass. Win10, i9/9900, all SSDs, 64g RAM, Cakewalk, Studio One

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[Billy 86]

I’ve discovered that other than manually altering individual notes in the Grid Editor in the various song sections,  doing something like “replace Midi from the grooves tab messes up the midi in the chorus sections. For example, use the replace midi in a section from the grooves browser in a verse and it will mess up the two choruses’ midi the exact same as I’ve previously described. I tried creating a new track, copy/pasting the first track into it to see if that made a difference, but it didn’t. Same behavior.

It’s like all the midi in the song is somehow “linked” to the midi in the choruses, which are affected by alterations in other song sections’ midi. One other note, I recall I dragged the song (song parts, chords and midi) in from EZ Keys 2 before I started  replacing the midi from the grooves tab.

I can’t figure it out, and now I’m dead in the water because I have the end of the song to finish, but if I touch the existing “placeholder” Midi (left over from dragging the EZ Keys 2 Midi into that section, it messes up a 1/2 day’s work on the what I’ve already done. Pretty frustrating. Maybe it’s something hanging up in the drag/drop from EZ Keys 2?

EZbass version: 1.1.8
Operating system: Windows 10

SD3, EZD, EZ Keys 1&2, EZ Bass. Win10, i9/9900, all SSDs, 64g RAM, Cakewalk, Studio One

[John]

Hi,

would it be possible for you to zip that EZbass Project and attach to a post here, so we may have a look? I am not seeing this in any of my own projects and have not been able to reproduce.

BR,
John

John Rammelt - Toontrack
Technical Advisor

[Billy 86]

Here is the file. I opened a new Cakewalk project, instantiated a fresh EZ Bass and opened this. It’s the only thing in the new project, and it did the same thing. Changing a midi block changes other — one would assume unrelated — midi blocks. Thanks for the help…

EZbass version: 1.1.8
Operating system: Windows 10

SD3, EZD, EZ Keys 1&2, EZ Bass. Win10, i9/9900, all SSDs, 64g RAM, Cakewalk, Studio One

[John]

OK, so far ‘Mystery notes vs John’ = 1-0.
I haven’t been able to replicate even with your project. Do you get the same behaviour in standalone or only in the plug-in? Does it matter which notes you change or delete? Or is it just any random?

BR,
John

John Rammelt - Toontrack
Technical Advisor

[Billy 86]

Hi John, I get the same behavior on two different computers in both standalone and in my DAW.

Here is a small .gif that shows what’s happening. When I delete midi from the last chorus, it changes the midi in the previous two choruses and in some of the verses.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/8jiovpm595il9eo/EZ%20Bass%20.gif?dl=0

SD3, EZD, EZ Keys 1&2, EZ Bass. Win10, i9/9900, all SSDs, 64g RAM, Cakewalk, Studio One

[John]

Thanks, I actually got the same result today, deleting the 3rd Chorus in the same way you did now. I am forwarding this to my colleagues.

BR,
John

John Rammelt - Toontrack
Technical Advisor

[Billy 86]

Thanks John. I’ve been using EZB for years in tandem with EZ Keys 1  and have never experienced this. The only new variable in my workflow is working now with EZK2. In this project, I built the song inEK2, dragged the song track data (song parts, chords, midi) into EZB and began to alter the midi for the bass part. I did not drag the EZK2 data to the Drums & Keys tab in EZB. I dragged straight from EZK2’s song track to EZB’s song track.

EZbass version: 1.1.8
Operating system: Windows 10

SD3, EZD, EZ Keys 1&2, EZ Bass. Win10, i9/9900, all SSDs, 64g RAM, Cakewalk, Studio One

[Billy 86]

John wrote:

Thanks, I actually got the same result today, deleting the 3rd Chorus in the same way you did now. I am forwarding this to my colleagues.

BR,
John

Have you heard back from them? Thanks.

SD3, EZD, EZ Keys 1&2, EZ Bass. Win10, i9/9900, all SSDs, 64g RAM, Cakewalk, Studio One

[Billy 86]

Heard anything on this?

SD3, EZD, EZ Keys 1&2, EZ Bass. Win10, i9/9900, all SSDs, 64g RAM, Cakewalk, Studio One

[Billy 86]

In the words of Pink Floyd, is there anybody out there?

SD3, EZD, EZ Keys 1&2, EZ Bass. Win10, i9/9900, all SSDs, 64g RAM, Cakewalk, Studio One

[Scott]

AFAIK John reported this to Toontrack and they are looking into it. We don’t have any ETA on an update release date however.

Scott Sibley - Toontrack
Technical Advisor

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