Decades third rack tom slot and bleed channels in added instruments

[David]

Hi

Is it possible to add a third rack tom in Decades? All the kits seem to default to two, I see there are actually three Pearl MX rack toms and the SD3 and The Metal Foundry libraries all have three rock toms?

Also, I’ve tried adding drums/cyms with Add Instrument but when loaded, nothing seems to have any bleed channels and under Properties in the Mixer it is saying “No bleed in selected channel”.

 

Superior Drummer 3 version: 3.2.6
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[Andrew Payne]

I am an e-drummer with a 5 tom (3 x rack and 2 x floor) pad setup so I do this all the time. I create a user instrument based on a racktom or floortom that I like and then I tune these up (or down) accordingly to get the sound I want. I also use other property box presets and effects (eg envelope, effects, transients etc) to dial in a “natural” extra tom sound that fits in with the other toms – I often find that I need more than just tuning up/down to get a tom to sound “right”. I have even “converted” some 2 tom setups in Hansa to give me 5 tom user kits.

I use “add instrument” and “search for instrument” so it loads the tom and appropriate channel setting. I have attached a screen shot to show so you can see my extra floortom complete with channel information and how I have tuned this one down.

 

Hope this helps.

Superior Drummer 3 version: 3.2.6
Operating system: Windows 10

Dell Precision 7730, i7 6 Core 2.6 GHz, 128GB RAM, 1TB SSD and 3 x 2TB SSD, Windows 11, Cubase Pro 14, SD3 plus a variety of SDX's and EZX's, Orchestral Percussion, EZBASS, RME BabyFace Pro FS and KRK V4 monitors. Modified Yamaha DTX900, DTXPRESS4 and Edrumin10 triggering SD3. Yamaha pads/cymbals and Roland VH-10 HiHat. PDP Maple acoustic kit for live playing.

• This post was modified 3 years, 7 months ago by Andrew Payne.

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[David]

Hi Andrew

Thanks for your help. OK so it looks like the only way to do it is to Add Instrument. I’ve tried doing this and also followed your suggestion of saving a user instrument and loading that.

Both ways I’m not getting all the room mics in the mixer though, just the OH and Front L/R pairs. Also the option to enable bleed is greyed out on that channel.  I’ve checked in the Route Instrument Microphones window and everything seems correct. I’m wondering if this is a limitation of User Mic Channels and adding instruments.

• This post was modified 3 years, 7 months ago by David.

[Andrew Payne]

Hi David – not sure why you would need other instruments bleeding into your new user mic channel for an additional tom ? I usually switch off bleeds in tom channels. I think that this is a function of user channels and you cannot actually have other instruments bleeding into these.

If you want the user channel for additional tom to bleed into other OH or ambience channels, then you need to go into those channels and switch on bleed for the new instrument so this additional user tom is then picked up in these OH and ambience channels – I find this far more significant in the overall sound rather than other channels/instruments bleeding into a new user channel (and especially if it is a Tom).

Have I understood you correctly ? cheers, Andrew

Superior Drummer 3 version: 3.2.6
Operating system: Windows 10

Dell Precision 7730, i7 6 Core 2.6 GHz, 128GB RAM, 1TB SSD and 3 x 2TB SSD, Windows 11, Cubase Pro 14, SD3 plus a variety of SDX's and EZX's, Orchestral Percussion, EZBASS, RME BabyFace Pro FS and KRK V4 monitors. Modified Yamaha DTX900, DTXPRESS4 and Edrumin10 triggering SD3. Yamaha pads/cymbals and Roland VH-10 HiHat. PDP Maple acoustic kit for live playing.

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[David]

Hi Andrew

Yes you have understood me correctly and also provided the answer! I’d forgotten to enable the bleed in the ambience channels so many thanks for that! My extra tom now matches the others.

I can live without bleed into the tom mic although I would liked to see it in snare and kick drums. I don’t mind a bit of spill! It’s not the end of the world though!

Many thanks for your help!

[Bear-Faced Cow]

I can see where you would want some bleed into that tom, especially when it comes to tom resonance from the kicks to add some realism and weight to a kit. A workaround that you can employ is to load up a core library kit (or preset for that matter), and replace those instruments with the ones from Decades. All of the bleed should then be available in the desired kit piece.

jord

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Jordan L. Chilcott

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[David]

Thanks Jord

Loading the core library kit seems like a good idea! I’ll give it a try.

[Andrew Payne]

I have done that with a few other SDX 5 tom kits but didnt think to try it for some of the “less than 5 toms” SDX libraries. I’ll also give it a try. Thanks Jord for the suggestion. cheers Andrew

Superior Drummer 3 version: 3.2.6
Operating system: Windows 10

Dell Precision 7730, i7 6 Core 2.6 GHz, 128GB RAM, 1TB SSD and 3 x 2TB SSD, Windows 11, Cubase Pro 14, SD3 plus a variety of SDX's and EZX's, Orchestral Percussion, EZBASS, RME BabyFace Pro FS and KRK V4 monitors. Modified Yamaha DTX900, DTXPRESS4 and Edrumin10 triggering SD3. Yamaha pads/cymbals and Roland VH-10 HiHat. PDP Maple acoustic kit for live playing.

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