admbmbI am using Logic Pro and I am using 2 instances of SD3 as a plugin in order to separately yet simultaneously capture close mics and room mics in a single Logic session. Because of this setup, I have to keep identical Grid Editor notes/hits between the two… However I’d really rather not have to perform grid edits to every single hit twice – I’d like to just copy the Grid from one instance to the other. However I don’t seem to be able to do this; each instance of SD3 seems to keep its own clipboard. Is there potentially a way to export just the Grid hits and then import them in the other instance?
Note that I can’t just save/load the SD3 file between the two; the drums, routing, and mixer is different between the two instances. Any help appreciated!
ShootieI can’t guide you on Logic’s Midi routing. But if you have your first instance of SD3 enable its Midi Out in the “General Settings”, it is possible for the first instance of SD to feed to the second instance of SD on another track. Assuming you want an identical performance.
So learning where to select midi input from another plugin in Logic would be the solution to look for.
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drumjack52I am using Logic Pro and I am using 2 instances of SD3 as a plugin in order to separately yet simultaneously capture close mics and room mics in a single Logic session. Because of this setup, I have to keep identical Grid Editor notes/hits between the two… However I’d really rather not have to perform grid edits to every single hit twice – I’d like to just copy the Grid from one instance to the other. However I don’t seem to be able to do this; each instance of SD3 seems to keep its own clipboard. Is there potentially a way to export just the Grid hits and then import them in the other instance?
Note that I can’t just save/load the SD3 file between the two; the drums, routing, and mixer is different between the two instances. Any help appreciated!
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Why are you complicating things? Use one instance of SD3 and have separate SD3 mixer output channels for the close and room mics? Easily done.
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admbmbLogic only allows 16 total tracks for a single instrument insert, so 15 excluding SD3. This isn’t enough for me to capture all the mics I want to use simultaneously. For my current setup and kit, I have something like 20 individual channels from my SD3 kit which is more than Logic could handle from a single instance, so I split them. Additionally as an example, I use the same room mics for the snare as I do the toms, but I want to have independent tracking or each.
That is, of course, unless there’s something I’m missing about either SD3 or Logic.
Bear-Faced CowJack is right. Why are you complicating it? What is the need to route the individual outputs into Logic? I use far more than 20 channels with an SD3 instance, and route everything into Logic using stems, controlling the mix that way.
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Thanked by: drumjack52drumjack52Logic only allows 16 total tracks for a single instrument insert, so 15 excluding SD3. This isn’t enough for me to capture all the mics I want to use simultaneously. For my current setup and kit, I have something like 20 individual channels from my SD3 kit which is more than Logic could handle from a single instance, so I split them. Additionally as an example, I use the same room mics for the snare as I do the toms, but I want to have independent tracking or each.
That is, of course, unless there’s something I’m missing about either SD3 or Logic.
Do you really need to have individual tracks for all those mics? Logic only allows you to have 16 tracks to receive the output from a single vi? I know of no producer/desk jockey that does independent tracking of the same room mics for separate kit pieces – why do that?
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admbmbDo you really need to have individual tracks for all those mics?
What is “need” in this context? Does Radiohead need a tambourine? Not trying to be glib but to ask if any given creative endeavor needs anything is quite subjective.
Logic only allows you to have 16 tracks to receive the output from a single vi?
As far as I know, yes. You get the instrument + 15 stereo channels to bring in SD3 mixer tracks.
I know of no producer/desk jockey that does independent tracking of the same room mics for separate kit pieces – why do that?
Because I like the sound of those particular mics for the different instruments? Is that ok?
Again trying to avoid being glib but I’m asking a specific question here for “who-cares-why”.
Bear-Faced CowAnd you can the same sounds mixing through a bus channel in SD3 going into Logic. Going into Logic doesn’t change the sound.
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admbmbThis is true – but I like to keep my routing as simple as possible in SD3 and deal with the major routing in Logic. When mixing, if I want a little more or less of this or that, I want to control that in Logic rather than SD3. Just a workflow preference.
admbmbThe largest issue isn’t necessarily the number of channels but how I want to control those channels. And using some of the same mics for different instruments (particularly the Amb Close and Far stereo pairs). For SD3 I like to set and forget – I don’t want to have to go back to that mixer if I want to adjust anything during mixing. So I route each of the mics through a dedicated mixer channel, set levels, and then output to Logic 1:1. And just to keep things organized in Logic, I do close mics out one SD3 instance and room mics out another, and once that’s all set I can use Logic for everything. If I didn’t use the same mics for different instruments it would be a little different story.
Bear-Faced CowYou are basically describing user presets in SD3. Not only do I set it and forget it, but it is there for instant recall in any Logic project. Between that and saving routings in Logic as a patch or template, everything is right at my fingertips. The mix will also be a little more unified and coherent since all of the bleed is properly contained within a single instance. Not to mention with the size of the kits that I use, I would save a considerable amount of RAM.
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drumjack52You are basically describing user presets in SD3. Not only do I set it and forget it, but it is there for instant recall in any Logic project. Between that and saving routings in Logic as a patch or template, everything is right at my fingertips. The mix will also be a little more unified and coherent since all of the bleed is properly contained within a single instance. Not to mention with the size of the kits that I use, I would save a considerable amount of RAM.
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Exactly. I’ll bet the OP is wondering why his mixes don’t sound quite right. Part of it is maintaining phase coherency which can screw up the imaging. He’s going to have to change his workflow and adapt without overcomplicating things.
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Robert PatenYou can export and import midi files within each instance of SD3, alternatively you can drag and drop into the logic session.
I don’t think this set up is well suited for writing and editing/auditioning drum parts on the fly.
I might suggest an alternative workflow whereby you use a single instance of SD3 for writing/ auditioning grooves. You can get a rough mix going within SD3.
Then, when you’re finished writing you can revert to this set up to start mixing.
Bear-Faced CowI would never recommend that kind of set up for mixing unless we were talking two distinct roles for SD3 (eg. Drums & Percussion, or simulate two drummers on two different drum kits)
jord
Robert PatenYeah nor would I but that’s how he likes to work and we should respect that.
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