Copy a drum pad so it sounds the same?

[bpjacobsen]

As some of the presets have only 2-4 toms and I have 5 Toms on my e-kit, I have to add toms to the ones that are turned off. Easy Peasy. However, I noticed for instance when I added tom3, it sounded crappy like I was hitting it with something vibrating on the head or something. Like it has this sorta trash can reverb or something. It sounded nothing like the other 2 toms. I messed with a bunch of mixers settings but could not figure out why the sound was so bad compared to the other toms. Ideally, I would love to be able to just copy say Tom2 and use the exact preset settings on Tom3 but just change the pitch, so that it gives me a similar sound but diff pitch. Is this at all possible? Can a drum with all it’s presets be copied to another drum? I find that sometimes the mixers are tough to get a specific drum sound right so it matches with the others in general tonality etc.

I realize this is pretty much a similar question to another thread but my question is more straightforward. Is there a way to copy the presets of one drum to another drum?

• This post was modified 1 year, 10 months ago by bpjacobsen.

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[John]

Hi,

the most likely reason why it sounds different is that the Close mic for the added Tom has its own new mixer channel and is processed differently. Bleed should be routed automatically in the same way as the original Tom but the new X-Tom channel is “clean” and routed directly to Out 1-2.
Copy EQ/Comp, etc from the original Tom mixer channel and also include Sends and also if the other Tom is routed to a bus and copy this.
Also, when you have Tuned a Tom on the Drums page, don’t forget to click ‘Process’ for a more natural sounding Tuning.

BR,
John

John Rammelt - Toontrack
Technical Advisor

[bpjacobsen]

John wrote:

Hi,

the most likely reason why it sounds different is that the Close mic for the added Tom has its own new mixer channel and is processed differently. Bleed should be routed automatically in the same way as the original Tom but the new X-Tom channel is “clean” and routed directly to Out 1-2.
Copy EQ/Comp, etc from the original Tom mixer channel and also include Sends and also if the other Tom is routed to a bus and copy this.
Also, when you have Tuned a Tom on the Drums page, don’t forget to click ‘Process’ for a more natural sounding Tuning.

BR,
John

keep in mind, this mixer stuff is still new to me so I’m having a real struggle comprehending it all. How do I “Copy EQ/Comp, etc from the original Tom mixer channel and also include Sends and also if the other Tom is routed to a bus and copy this.” is this like a right click menu or the little down facing arrow button? not at the setup now since I’m starting work for the day.

[bpjacobsen]

Ugh!!!! this is driving me to sheer madness! I really have no clue what I am doing and need a crash course in mixers. I don’t not squat about this. All I know is when I add the 13×12 tom, it has a bunch more echo and I’m guessing bleed. sounds almost like some snare vibration. but I hate it. I just want it to sound like the other toms. I can’t for the life of me figure out how to copy from the other tom let alone figure out which mixer even has this added tom in it. I tried hitting diff toms and I can see tom 1 and 2 where they are but I can’t tell where this 3rd tom is controlled from. I see the bleed section and the options to go up or down but then I noticed when I set all to zero, it turns the tom completely off basically. I just don’t understand this stuff at all! I just want it to work the same as the others and not have to spend hrs fiddling with mixers every time I need to add other toms. I”m sure if I had a clue what I was doing, it would be no biggie but I have never messed with mixers so I am lost in the woods.

[John]

OK,
when you add an extra Tom (in this case), a new mixer channel will be created by Default (unless you choose to route it to an existing channel) and it will appear to the furthest right in the mixer (of the mic channels, before buses or outputs). It will have an ‘X’ at the beginning of its name (X-Racktom in my screen shot above) but you can double-click the name and rename it to your liking.
For convenience, you can click to select this channel, move your mouse to the top of that channel and drag it to the left to re-order and place it e.g. with the other Tom channels.
Once this channel is next to your other e.g. Rack Tom (in this case) channel, you can Alt/Option + click and drag an FX slot from one channel to another to copy it. The same goes for Sends.
Clicking below the fader lets you decide where to send the channel, e.g. if it is routed directly to an output or to a Bus. Check where your other Tom is routed and select the same output for your X-Tom.

The Default behaviour when it comes to Bleed, is that it routes the available bleed to the present microphones.
So check e.g. the ‘OH’ channel by selecting it in the mixer and making sure that the Properties panel to the right is visible. In my example, I would inspect the bleed amount for the Racktom in the OH and then make sure the ‘Instrument 1’ (which would be the name for my added X-Racktom) has the same Bleed level.

Do the same for the other Ambience microphones and also the Snare and Tom channels.

BR,
John

John Rammelt - Toontrack
Technical Advisor

[bpjacobsen]

John wrote:

OK,
when you add an extra Tom (in this case), a new mixer channel will be created by Default (unless you choose to route it to an existing channel) and it will appear to the furthest right in the mixer (of the mic channels, before buses or outputs). It will have an ‘X’ at the beginning of its name (X-Racktom in my screen shot above) but you can double-click the name and rename it to your liking.
For convenience, you can click to select this channel, move your mouse to the top of that channel and drag it to the left to re-order and place it e.g. with the other Tom channels.
Once this channel is next to your other e.g. Rack Tom (in this case) channel, you can Alt/Option + click and drag an FX slot from one channel to another to copy it. The same goes for Sends.
Clicking below the fader lets you decide where to send the channel, e.g. if it is routed directly to an output or to a Bus. Check where your other Tom is routed and select the same output for your X-Tom.

The Default behaviour when it comes to Bleed, is that it routes the available bleed to the present microphones.
So check e.g. the ‘OH’ channel by selecting it in the mixer and making sure that the Properties panel to the right is visible. In my example, I would inspect the bleed amount for the Racktom in the OH and then make sure the ‘Instrument 1’ (which would be the name for my added X-Racktom) has the same Bleed level.

Do the same for the other Ambience microphones and also the Snare and Tom channels.

BR,
John

What happens if I ‘choose to route to a different channel’? like route to the same channel as another tom? Would that not be similar to copying the settings of the other tom to the new one? Might that be easier than what you describe? And how do I route it to the same channel as the other tom if that theoretically would work? Is there a good sorta beginner video you can point me to that covers all the basics of the mixers? I think it would help me to really understand how they work.

I removed the instrument for tom 3 and re-added it. (this is off the preset for Metal Ayotte) and made all mixers visible and found that it shows racktom 3 hidden so I unhid and found that if I turn the volume on, it sounds like it adds similar tone etc to the other 2 rack toms but it still has the default sound too which is like a lot of vibration. You will see what I mean if you load that preset and add the  12×13 ayotte classic tom to the 3rd rack tom which defaults to disabled. I then realized which mixers were adding that vibration/ambience and turned them down so now the sound is pretty much the same. the only thing that differs now is that tom3 has a much longer sustain on it and rings longer. Like it fades out vs the other toms all cut off without the extended sustain. How do I adjust this?

Thanks

• The post has been modified 3 times, last modified 1 year, 10 months ago by bpjacobsen.

[patrick maguire]

Yep, its a complicated situation that could be solved if SD3 allowed us to “DUPLICATE  INSTRUMENT”.

A duplicate feature would us to make an exact copy of an instrument, ALL its mix properties and sample settings (sans the midi assignment) and then we could adjust the sample, pitch, envelope, etc…

The current method of tom assignments of missing toms being replaced with the existing loaded toms is helpful in some scenarios. but detracts in other scenarios.

It really depending on the specific kit and sdx choises of what pre sets include what toms.

I wish every SDX or EZX would have an option for  “ALL INCLUDED INSTRUMENTS” this way you could choose a pre set which have the “extra” toms and cymbals assigned to the greyed out spaces that they would be assigned to if they were included in the specific pre set.

Some kits have 10 or so pre sets that are just the same pre set with certain instruments turned off.  this is helpful for E drums so that every tom pad at least makes a noise< like if you really wanted a kit with only two toms, buts its inconvenient for those who just want all the possible samples included with that kit to be an option, without having to re route and assign various parameters.

My go to is usually the kit pre set that has ALL the instruments as an option.

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[bpjacobsen]

patrick maguire wrote:

Yep, its a complicated situation that could be solved if SD3 allowed us to “DUPLICATE  INSTRUMENT”.

A duplicate feature would us to make an exact copy of an instrument, ALL its mix properties and sample settings (sans the midi assignment) and then we could adjust the sample, pitch, envelope, etc…

The current method of tom assignments of missing toms being replaced with the existing loaded toms is helpful in some scenarios. but detracts in other scenarios.

It really depending on the specific kit and sdx choises of what pre sets include what toms.

I wish every SDX or EZX would have an option for  “ALL INCLUDED INSTRUMENTS” this way you could choose a pre set which have the “extra” toms and cymbals assigned to the greyed out spaces that they would be assigned to if they were included in the specific pre set.

Some kits have 10 or so pre sets that are just the same pre set with certain instruments turned off.  this is helpful for E drums so that every tom pad at least makes a noise< like if you really wanted a kit with only two toms, buts its inconvenient for those who just want all the possible samples included with that kit to be an option, without having to re route and assign various parameters.

My go to is usually the kit pre set that has ALL the instruments as an option.

yeah, it’s def much easier to manage when you load a preset that has all 5 toms loaded vs only 2 or 3. Wonder if there is an easy way to query those 5 tom presets exclusively? doubtful. Another suggestion for the box. lol

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[John]

Hi guys,

please post new feature requests in the ‘Requests & Feedback’ section as the Help section isn’t scanned for requests.

BR,
John

John Rammelt - Toontrack
Technical Advisor

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