Built In Groove Editor

[Cytem]

First off, Superior is by far my favorite drum plugin and I love the Metal Foundry expansion. Saying that, why isn’t their an option to edit drum grooves within the plug-in? The only other drum program I know of that lets you do this is BFD2. I’m not crazy about how their drums sound, but that’s a hell of a useful feature, especially if your DAW doesn’t have a drum editor and you like to fine tune each individual hit. Is Toontrack looking into adding a useful tool like this? If not, why not?

Thanks

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[Scott]

Which supported host DAWs don’t have a MIDI editor?

Scott Sibley - Toontrack
Technical Advisor

[Cytem]

Sorry, I miss-spoke. I meant Drum Map Editor. I know Pro Tools doesn’t have one, which is what I’m using. Switched from Cubase, which I know has a great editor for drums.

[Scott]

My guess would be that if enough users asked for such a feature, one may be implemented. It has only been mentioned a few times in my 5 or so years on this forum but not consistently asked for.

Personally, I have little use for a MIDI editor built into S2 as I use my DAW (Cubase) for editing and I’m lighting fast with it.

Scott Sibley - Toontrack
Technical Advisor

[redlogic]

ORIGINAL: Scott
Personally, I have little use for a MIDI editor built into S2 as I use my DAW (Cubase) for editing and I’m lighting fast with it.

+1
Same here in Logic.

Macmini 2019 3.2 GHz 6-Core i7, 32GB RAM, MacOS 10.15.2, LogicProX 10.4.8, FF400, UAD2 Satellite Octo

[Whitten]

+2.
Edit in Logic …… and Pro Tools.

[Cytem]

Cubase and Logic are brilliant with those features, but doesn’t that make the plugin too dependent on what a DAW has to offer as far as programing? I used Cubase before Pro Tools, so I didn’t think much of it either and probably would have said the same thing as you guys, until it was no longer available to me. Over at the Avid feedback forums, there’s a small community of people pretty much begging for the same thing and they’re constantly glossed over. Sure there’s EZplayer, but it doesn’t quite do the same thing. I was at a recording studio in San Francisco not too long ago, and one reason they use BFD2 over Superior is because of it’s built in groove editor. So I guess what I’m trying to understand is, why not? What would Toontrack have to lose by adding the ability to edit/map out grooves? Wouldn’t that make Superior more….superior?

[Whitten]

The way I edit grooves, move notes and change velocities is in Logic’s piano roll note editor.
I’ve done the same in PT.
So my question would be, what would you want in a Superior editor that you don’t find in a DAW’s note edit functions?

[godprobe]

ORIGINAL: Cytem

[…] What would Toontrack have to lose by adding the ability to edit/map out grooves? […]

Just to drop a practical answer to that question: time.  Think of all the other not-so-redundant things that might be done with the dev and support time it would take to create and maintain a full-featured MIDI editor within the plug-in.

WinXP | Fireface 800 | Variax | Axe-Fx | Toontrack | Komplete | Reaper http://www.godprobe.com/projects/notemaps/

[Tom]

My I suggest an alternative. Make it possible for Jamstix to reside in Superior 2.

At the moment I have Jamstix send midi signals to Superior 2, but there is some latency involved so that timing is set off somewhat.

[Cytem]

ORIGINAL: tombuur

My I suggest an alternative. Make it possible for Jamstix to reside in Superior 2.

At the moment I have Jamstix send midi signals to Superior 2, but there is some latency involved so that timing is set off somewhat.

I haven’t heard of Jamstix, but I’m looking it up right now. Looks pretty sweet. Thanks Tom.

[Tom]

There are many ways to use Jamstix. I prefer the template where you can add snare, kick notes etc. where you want them. Then I choose different drummer models to personalize it with accents and fills. Works much better than scanning through hundreds of midi clips that don’t really fit the song (including the ones from Toontrack).

I wish Toontrack would make this a part of Superior 3 or as an add-on for purchase. Particularly improving the ugly GUI Jamstix tend to have.

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