Chris WilsonThis is driving me insane and it has only started to occur in the past two weeks (nothing changed in my system – I upgraded to SD 3.1.7 and the problem is still occurring). Here’s the situation: in the past I have bounced down the SD3 output of each drum mic to it’s own track in my DAW (Digital Performer 9.52). I like having the flexibility to add effects to each track as needed for the mix and not do that within SD but within my DAW. There has always been a small offset when you go from the MIDI to the actual audio file (which has been well documented with no solution) but moving the entire group of tracks into place has never been that big a deal. However, last week the SD3 tracks themselves started getting out of sync when they were bounced down. So, now, the offset isn’t consistent!
Example: if I bounce down one at a time to try to isolate the problem, what I find is that the kick and the snare bottom (which has bleed enabled so you hear some of the kick) are offset. You can literally hear that the kick and the sound of the kick in the snare bottom mic are definitely not in sync because it sounds like the kick has a little delay to it (which is the bleed from the snare bottom mic). This has never happened before. If I solo the two tracks and listen to the input from SD3 they sound fine. If I solo the two audio tracks, you hear the out of sync sound.
Anyone have any idea what’s going on? SD3 becomes completely unusable to me if this continues. Safe to say this would be incredibly frustrating, given the $$ invested, how much I love the ease of programming and coming up with great drum tracks, and the prior ease of getting a great sounding kit.
Help me, Obi Wan!
Chris WilsonJust a little more information – tried using the summed busses for each group (kick/snare/hi-hat/toms/OH) and the kick was offset from the rest of the groups. This is at least workable but it’s still less than ideal.
If anyone knows why the different groups (or different mic outputs) are recording/bouncing to audio with different offsets, I’d really appreciate it. To reiterate, nothing has changed in my system and it worked great for a long time until last week or so. Very odd.
JohnHi,
from what I can see on the Forum, this seems to be happening in DP only? ‘
When there has been issues in other hosts, it has been related to tempo changes and having ‘Follow Host’ Enabled during the internal Bounce.
Are you Bouncing ‘Bounce Loop Area’ or entire Song Track?
Are there Tempo changes? Do you have ‘Follow Host’ Enabled?
BR,
John
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YellowriverHello.
I am having the similar problems. My song has tempo change, “Follow Host” enabled, I am bouncing the whole song track. My system Mac OS 10.14.6, 3.7 GHz Quad, 128GB 2T SSD. Pro Tools ultimate (2020.12). Superior Drummer 3 (v3.1.7)
If I uncheck “Enable Bounce Loop Area”, all tracks will be the same length (lot fast and shorter than the song. If I disable the “Enable Bounce Loop Area” then some tracks are correct and not others.
OK channels: Amb_Ribbon, OH_Comd, OH_Dyn, Snare_Bottom.
Problem Channels: Floortom 1, Hihat, Kick_In, Kick_Out, Kick_Sub, Racktom_1, Racktom_2, Racktom_3, Snare_Top
Other bouncing settings: Check “Bounce Microphone Channels”, “Force enable All Bleed”, Exclude ambience channel with no bleed enabled”
Please help
Li
YellowriverIt seems that if the song has no tempo change, then the multi track export is ok.
Note; I have updated my Superior Drummer to v3.2.4, the problem remind.
Li
YellowriverI guess SD3 multiple track export only for the songs without tempo change. Wish all music that using SD3 only have the same tempo throughout.
good luck.
Li
gaofeng74I’m starting to have this problem but my song doesn’t have a tempo change. Very very frustrating. Out of the 10-12 tracks I’m bouncing sometimes it’s the hi hat track sometimes it’s the toms. But it’s always something. Some of the tracks are fine, some are way out.
JohnHi,
“this” problem is most likely not the same for every poster in this thread. E.g. I am pretty certain Yellowriver’s problem is due to using the internal Bounce without having the tempo changes in the host reflected on the internal Song Track and ‘Follow Host’ Enabled during the Bounce, which makes SD3 lock to the current tempo at the playhead in the host.
The OP’s problem might be related to the same thing but yours is seemingly something different?
Which host are you using? Monterey *shouldn’t* be the problem but AFAIK it isn’t yet officially supported.
BR,
John
John Rammelt - Toontrack
Technical Advisor
Karsten JohannessenHi there
I have a similar problem and it came out of the blue after having no problems. Theis is for the entire track. I follow the host and no changes in the tempo. This is actually for a track which I drag the drum track several times without any problems and then suddenly it is out of synch.
Anyone knows what can be done?
/Karsten
JohnHi,
are you referring to MIDI on the SD3 Song Track, Audio Files rendered with the internal Bounce or Audio Files rendered with your host’s Render/Bounce feature?
Which host are you using, btw?
BR,
John
John Rammelt - Toontrack
Technical Advisor
djrbfmHello guys.
I’m a newbie here so don’t be too tough on me. lol.
The OP is correct. I’m using Logic/Mac Pro.
It seems that as soon as one uses multi-outs, the sync between them is off.
And I’m not bouncing, just monitoring thru these from SD3.
Also the sound changes…..
Atm, to get the best result, I’m sticking with the stereo.
I’m going to try soloing each output in the SD3 mixer and simply send it out of the 2 bus as you would with a mix. Obviously taking out any plugins on the 2 bus.
Long and involved. I’ll do the tests and get back.
Regards to all.
John Robinson, Lismore, NSW, Australia.
Mark KingI suggest you start a new thread as this is not related to bouncing. I’m on a pc and using Cubase which works fine. Also when you activate multi outs and assign drum elements to them you may be missing some of the processing in the preset. Check where things are routed to before assigning them to a separate out
SD3 with older sdx,s plus Rooms of Hansa and Death & Darkness. Cubase and wavelab current versions. Roland TD50x using all trigger inputs for triggering SD3 only. Windows 11 computer. Various keyboards and outboard gear as well as VST instruments. Acoustic drums: Yamaha 9000 natural wood and Pearl masters. Various snare drums. RME BabyFace Pro FS and Adam A7X monitors
djrbfmHi, totally agree.
I have just exported the multi-tracks.
Sounds nothing like the stereo mix.
Didn’t expect it to.
I’ll get back when I’ve tested these files a bit more.
Cheers. John.
djrbfmHi there,
Yes you are describing my problem exactly.
Most of the time, it works well enough.
However the sync seems to get lost on very complex decrescendos and accelerandos, which i do a lot.
i’ve checked the SD3 tempo readout and it just doesn’t seem to have the resolution for this type of technique.
right now, i’ve a tune where the kick drum wanders in and out of the groove and this is not with the multis, just the stereo.
I’m using Logic Pro.
Regards, John.
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