Audible hits that don't show on the MIDI editor

[Jean-Marc Boulier]

Hi,

I have a very annoying issue that pops up more and more frequently after I record drums using my Roland TD-11KV e-drum set. After finishing recording, when I open my MIDI file to edit and quantize and whatnot, I often have unwanted double hits on the hihat, most of the time one of them being closed and the other open, resulting in a very messy sound of an open hihat being hit and closed in a split second.

The problem is that I only see one single hit in the MIDI editor, and even when I delete those hits and recreate them with the mouse, I can still hear those double hits that I can’t see.

How do I deal with this?

EZdrummer version: 2.1.8
Operating system: Windows 10

Jean-Marc
Music producer & audio engineer
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[Shootie]

Hi Jean. I’m guessing EZD2 cannot fix this issue for you. I’m only familiar with older Roland units. You should conciser adjusting the CrossTalk, Retrigger Time, Masktime,  and/or Sensitivity settings for your HiHats, if that’s the only kit piece this is happening to. I assume either you’re flamming your hit’s by accident or the vibration of you playing your other kit pieces is creating extra triggering. These hits are so close to each other that when you quantize, EZD2 puts the hits on top of each other.

If you have a DAW, you could record into that and really see what’s happening with the midi notes via the Piano Roll.

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Thanked by: Jean-Marc Boulier

[Jean-Marc Boulier]

Thanks, yes it makes sense that this isn’t really an EZdrummer 2 issue. Your input is helpful, I will look into the adjustments although I have no idea what this parameters actually do (Crosstalk, retrigger time and masktime) except maybe retrigger: I am guessing that increasing the time might help getting less “false positives”?

If you have a DAW, you could record into that and really see what’s happening with the midi notes via the Piano Roll

See, that’s the problem: that is exactly what I am doing but even when I delete the faulty hits altogether and recreat fresh hits with my mouse, they instantly transform into thos annoying double hits. I really don’t understand how this is possible, it’s like my MIDI editor is haunted.

Jean-Marc
Music producer & audio engineer
SoundWise

[Shootie]

I didn’t watch this whole video, but since he brings up cross-talk, it seems like a good watch for you…. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4B8hrwcKSx4

Send a screencap of the piano roll from your DAW if you want, I could take a peak.

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[Jean-Marc Boulier]

Thanks for the link, will check it out for sure.

In the meantime I found what was causing the issue. I looked at the signals sent by the hihat foot pedal and I realised that the issue was the drummer… He was releasing the pressure on the pedal at the same time he was hitting the hihat during difficult breaks. Never saw someone do that before, so I didn’t even suspect it before I saw the foot pedal envelope.

Removed the unwanted envelope points, problem solved. Thanks for putting me on the right track.

Jean-Marc
Music producer & audio engineer
SoundWise

[Shootie]

No problem. Those pedals are tricky sometimes. Enjoy.

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