Adding x-drums to existing mic channels, sliders, panning etc.

[LeanderL]

Hello!

I’ve been adding some more cymbals to a drum preset that uses microphones, amb channels etc.

My problem is that adding the same effects works for a 6th tom, but not to the cymbals as I don’t know their names.

The SDX is Death & Darkness. I’ve added two more chinas, a ride and a crash cymbal. The ride is instrument 2…and the channel of ride 1 is “ride”. However, the other x-drums have names in the mixer I can’t relate to their instrument names.

The mixer shows x-china1, x-oh, x-oh1, x-one shot, x-oh3, x-oh4, x-one shot oh…but I don’t know which is which? x-china will be one of the two chinas I added, but which one?
I want to play around with the panning of the cymbals, but don’t know which is which in the mixer.

EDIT Ok, I just soloed the kit pieces to find out which is which.
Still some questions remain:

1. My china x-drum has mixer channel x-china AND x-oh1…why? One and the same kit piece created both of them.
2. Some panning sliders only consist of one slider per kit piece…going from left to right…but other kit pieces have two sliders on top of each other? Why?
3. There seems to be a bug. I have a Death & Darkness kit that uses one ride…I import the other ride in “Death”…it uses the precreated x-ride channel…I can use the panning slider, but it does not work! It only works when I solo the x-ride channel…as soon as I click to unsolo it, all hits (even if I only click on the ride) are centered. What should I do?

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• The post has been modified 4 times, last modified 1 year, 7 months ago by LeanderL.

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[John]

Hi,

it would be easier to answer all your questions if you provided the Project file but I’ll try with some answers.

If you add a China from one library into another, there may be some setup specifics that require you to review the Microphone Routing assignments and make adjustments.
In your particular example, I believe the ‘Close’ mic is separate mono in one and included in the stereo OH in the other, plus there’s a OH mono in the Darkness.
Anyways, the SD3 software suggests a routing for some microphones and adds some as new ‘X-channels’ in the mixer when you add the instrument from one library to another.
You can change this by right-clicking the instrument and going to ‘More > Route Instrument Microphones…’.

Review the suggested routing and change it if you wish to. Note that routing a mono Close mic to e.g. stereo OH will make it hard panned.
You can also choose to keep the added ‘X-channel(s)’, but I would rename them for easier spotting when mixing. Just double-click the name, e.g. ‘X-OH’ and rename it to e.g. ‘Death OH’. Should you add more than one instrument, in this case cymbals, the software adds the suggested X-channels as ‘X-OH1’, ‘X-OH2’, etc. I would simply route further added cymbals from the same library to the same OH in this case. Then right-click x-channels not in use in the Mixer and ‘Remove’.

If you have a Mono mic channel added, it has a single panning slider, if you add a Stereo mic channel it has a Left and Right panner slider.

Regarding your last question, I would suggest that you check the Microphone routings. The most likely answer is that there is bleed routing to existing microphones which places it in the center.

BR,
John

John Rammelt - Toontrack
Technical Advisor

[LeanderL]

John,

thank you for your reply! I’ve uploaded my kit. I bought it from a popular producer that creates kits, guitar presets etc. …and want to expand it with additional kit pieces such a 6th tom, some more cymbals (crashes, chinas), a second ride (I am used to it from Guitar Pro and Metal Foundry)…a second hihat because my programming uses variations of open and closed hihats during doublebass so you cannot switch the simulated hihat with the pedal on the fly.

Please download my kit and check out the x-drums on the left side:

instrument 2 uses the channel x-ride
instrument 6 uses the channel x-china 2

Yes, there is a lot of centered bleeding, but I don’t know why…

1) The panning of instrument 2 and 6 works when soloing them in the mixer…but not when you unsolo them.
2) The default chinas and ride have panning…and use the channel OH…my additional instrument 2 and 6 have the same panning and use the same channels…and volume settings…but they do not sound the same. The default chinas in the kit (not x-drums!) are panned to the left and right…and although they have bleeding, they sound on the left and right. The x-drum chinas have the same panning, bleeding and the same settings (OH is selected, not master etc.)…BUT they sound more centered and I don’t know why.

The main ride is panned 76 to the right. I want the x-ride to be panned 76 to the left.
The main chinas are panned 78 to the left and to the right…and I want my x-chinas to be panned 78 to the left and 78 to the right as well.

How can I do that?

Here’s a screenshot:

The default china 1 is panned 78 to the left, the default china 2 is panned 78 to the right. They bleed into the center…
Default china 3 is panned 78 to the the right, the default china 4 is panned 78 to the left…they use the exact same bleeding etc. settings…BUT china 3 only has very slight panning and china 4 is completely centered.

SeelenPuls ~ Poetic metal from Austria: SeelenPuls.at
Grummelgnom ~ Sociocritical metal from the forest: Grummelgnom.at

• The post has been modified 2 times, last modified 1 year, 7 months ago by LeanderL.

[Visual Drummer]

Hi, I’m following this because I think it’s a good learning experience as I’m starting out. I was going to try and work along with you.

 

However, the file you submitted won’t open up in SD3. Curious if others have this issue. Could you try re-uploading the project file attachment?

[Brad]

Visual Drummer wrote:

Hi, I’m following this because I think it’s a good learning experience as I’m starting out. I was going to try and work along with you.

 

However, the file you submitted won’t open up in SD3. Curious if others have this issue. Could you try re-uploading the project file attachment?

Hi there,

It’s not a project file, it’s a User Preset file, which opens fine on my rig.

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