Topic: 15" Zildian A Paper Thin Crash – requires hi-pass at SAMPLE LEVEL

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Replied July 14, 2019 at 22:04 #2467177

Bear-Faced Cow
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I hi-pass them anyways. This one is still very usable.

I seem to like a hi-pass at around 460Hz with an 18db/oct slope and a Q of around 1.66 as it seems to bring out a sweet spot at the same time of this particular one. Almost seems to breathe on a rock beat.

jord

Jordan L. Chilcott

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Replied July 15, 2019 at 01:12 #2467212

noisyneil
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Thanks for the reply and I’m glad it works for your workflow, but I prefer not to have to high-pass the entire OH/ambience channel just because one cymbal is problematic. If you scroll through the crash options, this one stands out as poorly processed, but of course there are plenty of other options; I just figured it might be worth pointing it out. Cheers!

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Replied July 15, 2019 at 07:29 #2467237

Rodney Ferguson
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The OH channel is typically high-passed in pro drum production with some low mid cut as well.

You can always re-route your cymbal/s to a separate channel if you wish. This might help to process the cymbal to get the sound you are looking for.

I think the reason that the samples are not overly processed is because Toontrack are allowing for their samples to be as versatile as possible.

Kind Regards

Rodney

Replied July 15, 2019 at 11:45 #2467260

noisyneil
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Again, I appreciate the responses. Perhaps I should elucidate: I’ve got about 20 years’ professional experience as a producer/mixer, so whilst I may be a complete idiot in all other areas of life, I do understand that OH channels routinely receive a low-end cut to deal with rumble and extraneous low mid. It isn’t the issue in this case.

This video demonstrates what I mean. Wear headphones and pay attention to the considerable low end in the right ear when I get to the 15″ Paper Thin Crash.

https://vimeo.com/348134461

This is an anomaly and I’m yet to find another sample set with the same issue.

Neil
Replied July 15, 2019 at 18:30 #2467321
Bear-Faced Cow
Participant
Considering that you can easily route the cymbal to its own channel and apply the high-pass there, without affecting the rest of the OH, what’s the real issue here? We know there’s a thump in there. It has been there since its release almost two years ago. Anomaly or not, there is a solution for the time being, and until Toontrack issues an update, if they decide to do so, it is still usable.

jord

Jordan L. Chilcott

Web Site: https://jordanchilcottmusic.com/
- This post was modified 5 years, 12 months ago by Bear-Faced Cow.
Replied July 15, 2019 at 20:03 #2467351

noisyneil
Participant

No issue. I think I’ve probably posted this in the wrong place; I was really trying to let Toontrack know for future updates. A bit like when my missus tells me I’ve got something in my teeth. No biggie, but I always appreciate it.

Replied July 15, 2019 at 21:14 #2467361

Bear-Faced Cow
Participant

Depends how the missus tells you. Mine is more likely to punch me in the mouth to get it loose. 😀

You’re definitely in the right space and I’m sure Toontrack will catch wind. Where it goes from there is anyone’s guess, but my experience has shown them to be quite responsive. I’ve just learned in all my years that no audio will ever be perfect, and sometimes we just have to work around crap like that low-end thump (although I might have a use for that as an effect). If anything, I’m more happy that SD3 gives us more than one way to skin a cat (more proof that they listen to us).

jord

Jordan L. Chilcott

Web Site: https://jordanchilcottmusic.com/

Replied July 15, 2019 at 22:41 #2467377

Mark King
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If there is a problem with a sample you are right to highlight it. When I beta tested for toontrack years ago we always reported problems with samples. This one may have been missed.

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Replied July 15, 2019 at 23:42 #2467384

Rodney Ferguson
Participant

Are we talking about the selection of various crashes on Cymbal 3.

I think there may be a deeper misinterpretation to this thread. I may be wrong but there is no 15″ Zildjan Paper Thin Crash.

From what I can see there is a combination/stack of the 15″ Zildjan Paper Thin and the 14″ Paiste Line Thin China.

The only Paper Thin Crash I can see is the 16″ Zildjan.

Kind Regards

Rodders
Replied July 16, 2019 at 00:42 #2467390
noisyneil
Participant
You’re 100% right about the china stack! I had to drag the column out wider to see the whole name! Doh! Still, there’s more low end than any other cymbal, so I don’t think it’s a case of it being a china stack rather than a regular crash.
- This post was modified 5 years, 12 months ago by noisyneil.
Replied July 27, 2019 at 13:51 #2469471

Abridge
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Bear-Faced Cow wrote:

I hi-pass them anyways. This one is still very usable.

I seem to like a hi-pass at around 460Hz with an 18db/oct slope and a Q of around 1.66 as it seems to bring out a sweet spot at the same time of this particular one. Almost seems to breathe on a rock beat.

jord

Thank you for a very specific example on what you do for this issue.

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