Using EZ Drummer Expansions in Superior Drummer

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  • Tom Conner
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    There is a comparison near the bottom of this page that covers some of it. No picture of the drumset, no instrument bleed, less microphones, less samples, less articulations, etc… https://www.toontrack.com/product/superior-drummer-3/

    My 2 cents would be drink a few less $8 starbucks coffees per month and stick with SDXs. Also, they are discounted on various sites like Thomann.de and Reverb (my fav place to buy them).

    DWe six piece kit, Roland BT-1s/eDRUMin, RME Fireface interface, JH Audio IEMs w/Fiio Amp, Porter & Davies transducer, Razer 16 laptop, SD3 (State of the Art, Stockholm, Hitmaker, Legacy of Rock, Decades, Death & Darkness, Fields of Rock, Stories)

    Bear-Faced Cow
    Participant

    There are plenty of differences between EZXs and SDXs. EZXs consist of mainly the key common articulations. They have only a few bleed channels. And if I’m not mistaken, they are 16 Bit Audio, Which will account for a reduced dynamic and velocity range.

    That being said, I have a few go to EZX packs that I use because they sound amazing in a mix. They are great for when you need something quick in a mix as what they do contain make them pretty workable in many songs.

    jord


    Jordan L. Chilcott

    Web Site: https://jordanchilcottmusic.com/

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    Brad
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    There are plenty of differences between EZXs and SDXs. EZXs consist of mainly the key common articulations. They have only a few bleed channels. And if I’m not mistaken, they are 16 Bit Audio, Which will account for a reduced dynamic and velocity range.

    That being said, I have a few go to EZX packs that I use because they sound amazing in a mix. They are great for when you need something quick in a mix as what they do contain make them pretty workable in many songs.

    jord

    I started writing this and then got called away, but the other 2 insightful answers pretty much cover it.

    The difference in sound is subjective at the best of times. EZDrummer EZXs are 16bit as opposed to SDXs that are 24bit. So is there quality difference in sound? In a mix, with other instruments? Maybe, maybe not. If the session is a jazz trio where there’s a lot sonic space for all the instruments, you might notice it. In contemporary music, tracks/intruments are being tweaked to fit in a mix, sometimes within a very narrow band. Will you notice it? I dunno. Functionality, well you have more access to some of the components that make up presets. (EQ Compression, etc). They don’t have the nice EZDrummer graphics when opened within SD3, my customers don’t care about it, and although, as a graphic designer as well, I appreciate the care that goes into rendering the UI it’s the end product that matters. Jord nailed it with what he said. Sometimes the heavy lifting is done ahead of time by Toontrack and with minimal fuss you can get something that works great, 2 channels in, no fuss, no muss.

    My own workflow, unless I am looking for something super specific (like the “In The Air Tonight” type drum machine: Hit Maker Machines SDX)…. I usually start composing with EZDrummer and then if I need bigger, deeper, higher, wider…. whatever…. can’t quite dial in the right sound, I’ll take the same track from EZDrummer, drag into SD3 and go from there.


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    Tom Conner
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    Maybe an unpopular take: 16 bit audio has 96dB of dynamic range and is plenty for any song or instrument. Each 10dB represents a doubling in volume. 24 bit audio is 144dB of range and likely unnecessary. And for sample rate, humans with the best ears can’t hear above 20kHz, which a 44.1kHz sampling rate captures with room to spare. And that 20KHz maximum audible frequency gets lower with age and frequent exposure to loud things like drums and live music.

    So IMO we are overdoing it with digital audio above 16 bit and 44.1kHz. DW SoundWorks for example is 24 bit and 92KHz. It is good marketing since most consumers tend to think larger numbers are always better. Unfortunately we are paying with massive file sizes and longer load times for no audible difference.

    There are various online digital audio quality tests you can try to see what you think.

    DWe six piece kit, Roland BT-1s/eDRUMin, RME Fireface interface, JH Audio IEMs w/Fiio Amp, Porter & Davies transducer, Razer 16 laptop, SD3 (State of the Art, Stockholm, Hitmaker, Legacy of Rock, Decades, Death & Darkness, Fields of Rock, Stories)

    drumjack52
    Participant

    Tom: what you are missing is headroom. You always want to have more than you think you need. You may not hear it but the difference is there.  You never want to get close to the limits of anything. Also keep in mind intersample peaks – slack off on the overhead (oversampling) and you’ll hear distortion. It’s like ram and money – you can never have too much of either. I’d rather be in the middle of things than try and live on the bleeding edge as you’ll get cut by it sooner or later.

    Jack
    aka musicman691 on other forums
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    Bear-Faced Cow
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    To expand upon what Jack is Saying, sampling at a higher sample rate and bit depth has little to do with human hearing in this case. A higher sample rate provides a horizontal resolution, providing more hit points on higher frequency while a higher bit depth gives you a greater vertical resolution which is more prominent at lower volumes. For most rock music, you can get away with 16 bit resolution since the drums are loud which are evident in packs from Bob Rock and Jay Ruston. For jazz, 24 bit resolution is better to which an SDX such as Jazz Sessions are more appropriate. As far as sample rate goes 44.1 kHz works fine because beyond a certain frequency drums get irritating in a mix and easily cause ear fatigue.

    jord


    Jordan L. Chilcott

    Web Site: https://jordanchilcottmusic.com/

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    Billy 86
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    I really appreciate the thoughtful responses. Love SD3 and the SDXs I own — which cover a lot of ground. Most recent pickups – Stories and State of the Art – are amazing. Love the flexibility and control. Love the quality. I’ll stick with SDXs. Oh… and though I live in Starbucks’ hometown of Seattle, I drink all my coffee at home – no $8 coffees for me! 😁

    SD3 3.4, EZK2.1.3, EZ Bass 1.3.1, Win11, i9/9900, all SSDs, 64g RAM, Cakewalk, Studio One

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    Brad
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    I really appreciate the thoughtful responses. Love SD3 and the SDXs I own — which cover a lot of ground. Most recent pickups – Stories and State of the Art – are amazing. Love the flexibility and control. Love the quality. I’ll stick with SDXs. Oh… and though I live in Starbucks’ hometown of Seattle, I drink all my coffee at home – no $8 coffees for me! 😁

    Not far from me then… just across the border nearVancouver…. and yeah bought a new italian espresso machine…. stay at home shots….


    Superior Drummer 3 version: 3.4.0
    Operating system: macOS Sequoia (15)

    Mac Studio M1 Max, RAM 64 GB, 1TB Drive, OSX 12.x/13.x and Windows 10 (VM)
    DAW: Studio One Pro (always up to date)
    DTX Express III (Extreme triggers), Nektar LX88
    OWC Thunderbay Mini (4 X 1TB Sata SSD), Express 4M2 (4 X 2TB M.2 SSD), Envoy Express (1TB M.2 SSD)
    Presonus Quantum, Faderport & Faderport 8
    Black Lion Sparrow Mk2 A/D, FMR-RNP-RNC, MIDI Xpress 128, BM5A, KRK VXT4, Equator D5
    2020 Macbook Pro 16GB RAM, 512GB SSD Audio(mobile rig)

    John
    Moderator

    And if I’m not mistaken, they are 16 Bit Audio

    The 1st gen EZX:s are 16 bit, from the 2nd gen EZX:s became 18 bit and if I’m not mistaken 3rd gen EZX:s are 20 bit.

    BR,
    John

    John Rammelt - Toontrack
    Technical Advisor

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