lhcaudio@gmail.comHey everyone, I’m having an issue with no sound or signal coming out from SD3 to our FOH console. Last time I had it hooked up everything worked just fine, then all of a sudden last week 20 minutes before our worship practice I noticed I was not just muted by FOH, but they were not getting any signal from me at all.
Let me lay out what I have. Roland TD25 plugged into my Mac via usb cable, the output in sd3 is sent back to “TD25” drum module, which is plugged in to the FOH using quarter inch cables. I’ve been running it this way for atleast 8 months with no issues.
Now the problem and trouble shooting. When I play the drums I do have a signal coming into SD3 but nothing at FOH. If I change the output in SD3 to Mac Speakers or External headphones (if plugged in), the sound works just fine. This led me to believe the drum module was the problem. But, disconnecting SD3 and playing the drums on their own, everything worked fine as well. Good signal, no issues. I’ve tried opening older SD3 presets I had saved and no luck. I’m curious as to what could have went wrong since the last time I had them plugged in.
If anyone has anymore ideas on what to check I would greatly appreciate it.
drumjack52Why not simplify things and go straight from your computer to FOH? Why route from computer to drum brain to FOH? That you get signal into SD3 when playing your kit just means that MIDI is getting to your computer/SD3 – there’s no audio in that link.
Jack
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lhcaudio@gmail.comBecause sound quality is better through quarter inch cables. I’d have to get an audio interface, and at that point it’s not simplified. Either I have the drum brain as output with the cables connected to it, or have my computer as output with the cables connected to the interface. Thats just an extra unnecessary purchase on my end.
And to the second part of your reply, I do have audio coming through when the output is my computer which is why I never noticed the issue when playing at home because I have my IEM’s connected directly to the computer.
drumjack52This is one case where size does NOT matter. Period. It’s the connection protocol that matters (impedance, level, etc.). Your second paragraph makes my point – you really need to get things right and get an audio interface elsewise you’re going to have problems (you’re looking at different things when you say it works ok with your iem’s connected to the computer). That it supposedly worked for you – you got lucky and now you’re paying the piper. Get an audio interface ( they don’t cost much) and if you really care about your work especially in worship music then people will thank you. I’ve been through this stuff for decades and there’s no cutting corners. You can’t just patch cables and hope things work.
Jack
aka musicman691 on other forums
Superior Drummer 3.4.0
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
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lhcaudio@gmail.comI’ve seen many people do it this way online. In the drum brain there’s options to turn off local control and set the driver to be compatible with sending MIDI Data making it work properly. I don’t see how this is cutting corners. If you could explain in more detail on this I’d appreciate it.
But also, I’d still like to get to the bottom of why it stopped working. If this was cutting corners would there not have been signs that it’s “failing”? It’s been working great since we first set it up (June last year) and then all of a sudden stopped after not plugging it in for about a month (February 2nd was the last time).
I’ll look into using an interface again, I just didn’t see a point last time I researched this since the drum brain basically took care of that.
Thanks for your quick replies.
Mark KingHas the Mac been updated? I’ve read about problems with Roland modules not being recognised after an os update. Is the td27 firmware up to date?
SD3 with older sdx,s plus Rooms of Hansa and Death & Darkness. Cubase and wavelab current versions. Roland TD50x using all trigger inputs for triggering SD3 only. Windows 11 computer. Various keyboards and outboard gear as well as VST instruments. Acoustic drums: Yamaha 9000 natural wood and Pearl masters. Various snare drums. RME BabyFace Pro FS and Adam A7X monitors
BradSo the issues is getting audio back to your “Interface” (Roland TD25). Have you tried playing some other audio back from your Mac through the TD25, are you getting audio then? Mac Music YouTube, anything like that? Is it still getting to FOH?
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lhcaudio@gmail.comWhen the problem first occurred last week, no but I updated the Mac yesterday thinking it might fix the issue. The drum module on the other hand, I have not updated. I’ll look into that.
lhcaudio@gmail.comI just gave it a try. No audio from Mac going through the TD 25 module. This makes me think it might be the computer, but last week I took the module off the kit and plugged it into the FOH Mac since it has SD3 installed, and still no luck. So I’m yet again, back to square one.
drumjack52I’ve seen many people do it this way online. In the drum brain there’s options to turn off local control and set the driver to be compatible with sending MIDI Data making it work properly. I don’t see how this is cutting corners. If you could explain in more detail on this I’d appreciate it.
But also, I’d still like to get to the bottom of why it stopped working. If this was cutting corners would there not have been signs that it’s “failing”? It’s been working great since we first set it up (June last year) and then all of a sudden stopped after not plugging it in for about a month (February 2nd was the last time).
I’ll look into using an interface again, I just didn’t see a point last time I researched this since the drum brain basically took care of that.
Thanks for your quick replies.
Operating system: macOS Sequoia (15)
MIDI and audio are two different things. Local control only applies to MIDI and you only need to turn that off if you’re using SD3 to trigger the brain so you don’t get double hits. Using the drum brain as an audio interface is what’s cutting corners. And there’s the latency as there’s no way the brain will have the low latency you need for feeding the audio coming from the computer/SD3 combo to FOH for use in a live situation. Just because you saw someone on YouTube do it doesn’t make it a go-to thing. Trust someone who’s been doing this kind of thing for decades
What are you using for getting audio from the computer to the brain? Please don’t tell us you’re using the headphone output from the computer as that’s as low quality as you can get. The impedance and levels will be all wrong.
Jack
aka musicman691 on other forums
Superior Drummer 3.4.0
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram
lhcaudio@gmail.comI’ve seen many people do it this way online. In the drum brain there’s options to turn off local control and set the driver to be compatible with sending MIDI Data making it work properly. I don’t see how this is cutting corners. If you could explain in more detail on this I’d appreciate it.
But also, I’d still like to get to the bottom of why it stopped working. If this was cutting corners would there not have been signs that it’s “failing”? It’s been working great since we first set it up (June last year) and then all of a sudden stopped after not plugging it in for about a month (February 2nd was the last time).
I’ll look into using an interface again, I just didn’t see a point last time I researched this since the drum brain basically took care of that.
Thanks for your quick replies.
Operating system: macOS Sequoia (15)
MIDI and audio are two different things. Local control only applies to MIDI and you only need to turn that off if you’re using SD3 to trigger the brain so you don’t get double hits. Using the drum brain as an audio interface is what’s cutting corners. And there’s the latency as there’s no way the brain will have the low latency you need for feeding the audio coming from the computer/SD3 combo to FOH for use in a live situation. Just because you saw someone on YouTube do it doesn’t make it a go-to thing. Trust someone who’s been doing this kind of thing for decades
What are you using for getting audio from the computer to the brain? Please don’t tell us you’re using the headphone output from the computer as that’s as low quality as you can get. The impedance and levels will be all wrong.
Understandable. I’m using a usb cable like Roland suggests.
BradI’ve seen many people do it this way online. In the drum brain there’s options to turn off local control and set the driver to be compatible with sending MIDI Data making it work properly. I don’t see how this is cutting corners. If you could explain in more detail on this I’d appreciate it.
But also, I’d still like to get to the bottom of why it stopped working. If this was cutting corners would there not have been signs that it’s “failing”? It’s been working great since we first set it up (June last year) and then all of a sudden stopped after not plugging it in for about a month (February 2nd was the last time).
I’ll look into using an interface again, I just didn’t see a point last time I researched this since the drum brain basically took care of that.
Thanks for your quick replies.
Operating system: macOS Sequoia (15)
MIDI and audio are two different things. Local control only applies to MIDI and you only need to turn that off if you’re using SD3 to trigger the brain so you don’t get double hits. Using the drum brain as an audio interface is what’s cutting corners. And there’s the latency as there’s no way the brain will have the low latency you need for feeding the audio coming from the computer/SD3 combo to FOH for use in a live situation. Just because you saw someone on YouTube do it doesn’t make it a go-to thing. Trust someone who’s been doing this kind of thing for decades
What are you using for getting audio from the computer to the brain? Please don’t tell us you’re using the headphone output from the computer as that’s as low quality as you can get. The impedance and levels will be all wrong.
Understandable. I’m using a usb cable like Roland suggests.
Direct or through a hub? If hub, switch it to direct. If direct, try another port/cable.
otherwise, check the Roland brain for issues.
Mac Studio M1 Max, RAM 64 GB, 1TB Drive, OSX 12.x/13.x and Windows 10 (VM)
DAW: Studio One Pro (always up to date)
DTX Express III (Extreme triggers), Nektar LX88
OWC Thunderbay Mini (4 X 1TB Sata SSD), Express 4M2 (4 X 2TB M.2 SSD), Envoy Express (1TB M.2 SSD)
Presonus Quantum, Faderport & Faderport 8
Black Lion Sparrow Mk2 A/D, FMR-RNP-RNC, MIDI Xpress 128, BM5A, KRK VXT4, Equator D5
2020 Macbook Pro 16GB RAM, 512GB SSD Audio(mobile rig)
drumjack52What exact Mac do you have and what exact port types does it have? If it’s USB 3.2 not all devices support that. And USB 3 cables themselves can be finicky. Are you running through any kind of adapter?
Jack
aka musicman691 on other forums
Superior Drummer 3.4.0
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram
Bear-Faced CowI’m wondering why you are not using a proper audio interface to go into your FOH board. The drum brain does not make for a good interface. There are plenty of class compliant USB interfaces that are inexpensive and get the job done without all of the fuss you are going through.
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Thanked by: drumjack52Mark KingTo be clear. You are using sd3 standalone, you have gone into settings and selected the td27 driver? If the driver is not available then it’s not sd3. It’s either the module not connecting or the Mac not recognising it. I don’t own a Mac but surely you can check in the settings somewhere that the td27 shows as an audio device? If not then that’s where your problem is. Have you tried posting(joining) on the vdrums forum? I’m sure there are quite a few on there using a td27 with a Mac.
Now this maybe a stupid question but have you checked you have the td27 in vendor mode? Audio only works if vendor mode is enabled.
SD3 with older sdx,s plus Rooms of Hansa and Death & Darkness. Cubase and wavelab current versions. Roland TD50x using all trigger inputs for triggering SD3 only. Windows 11 computer. Various keyboards and outboard gear as well as VST instruments. Acoustic drums: Yamaha 9000 natural wood and Pearl masters. Various snare drums. RME BabyFace Pro FS and Adam A7X monitors
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