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I’m looking to blend 3 bass tracks for a single, unified sound. I have 3 instances of EZBass (all with the exact same MIDI) going to 3 respective audio tracks. Each instance of EZBass has a different guitar, amp settings, EQ, etc. I’m basically trying to replicate a re-amp process. 1 track is a very clean DI low tone, another is a more dirty, saturated low tone, and the 3rd is a high-end attacky tone with some more dirt. The problem I’m encountering is massive chorus/phase-y problems when I combine these tracks. I’ve tried switching phase and sample delay to no avail. It’s most pronounced on higher notes with the 2 dirty tones combined, which makes sense because they have a lot more complex harmonics going on. However, I know mixing engineers duplicate and re-amp and mix bass tracks all the time without getting this chorusy stuff. Is there something about the way I’m doing things that’s causing this? My theory right now is that since 3 instrument tracks are playing the same notes, I’m not actually “re-amping”, I’m just stacking 3 performances on top of each other. The one thing I have not tried yet (if 3 simultaneous EZBass performances are the actual problem) is sticking with a single instance of EZBass for a single performance, and then just bussing that to 3 separate tracks with only amp sims for plugins (I don’t currently own any bass amp sims). Plus, I’m really liking the sound (minus the chorus) of a couple different bass guitars combining.
Wondering if any of y’all have some advice on how to approach this? Thanks in advance!
I’m looking to blend 3 bass tracks for a single, unified sound. I have 3 instances of EZBass (all with the exact same MIDI) going to 3 respective audio tracks. Each instance of EZBass has a different guitar, amp settings, EQ, etc. I’m basically trying to replicate a re-amp process. 1 track is a very clean DI low tone, another is a more dirty, saturated low tone, and the 3rd is a high-end attacky tone with some more dirt. The problem I’m encountering is massive chorus/phase-y problems when I combine these tracks. I’ve tried switching phase and sample delay to no avail. It’s most pronounced on higher notes with the 2 dirty tones combined, which makes sense because they have a lot more complex harmonics going on. However, I know mixing engineers duplicate and re-amp and mix bass tracks all the time without getting this chorusy stuff. Is there something about the way I’m doing things that’s causing this? My theory right now is that since 3 instrument tracks are playing the same notes, I’m not actually “re-amping”, I’m just stacking 3 performances on top of each other. The one thing I have not tried yet (if 3 simultaneous EZBass performances are the actual problem) is sticking with a single instance of EZBass for a single performance, and then just bussing that to 3 separate tracks with only amp sims for plugins (I don’t currently own any bass amp sims). Plus, I’m really liking the sound (minus the chorus) of a couple different bass guitars combining.
Wondering if any of y’all have some advice on how to approach this? Thanks in advance!
EZbass version: 1.2.0
Operating system: macOS Sonoma (14)
Hi there,
If this is not for live performance you could try, printing the 3 tracks to audio and, in your DAW, zooming in and adjusting the peaks so everything lines up perfectly.
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This is not live performance; all digital with EZBass and LogicX. And the peaks already line up *exactly* because each instance is playing the exact same MIDI notes. That’s why I originally tried sample delay, in case the problem was them being completely 100% exact performances (but that didn’t fix it).
This is not live performance; all digital with EZBass and LogicX. And the peaks already line up *exactly* because each instance is playing the exact same MIDI notes. That’s why I originally tried sample delay, in case the problem was them being completely 100% exact performances (but that didn’t fix it).
Hi there,
Thanks for the added clarification.
My suggestion still stands, as there could be a slight fluctuations in each instance when different effects are involved.
When I get to my rig this afternoon I will test out additional solutions.
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In addition to Brad’s post, you are not creating a re-amp situation. You are creating a situation where the bass player recorded his part three times. Your three instances of EZBass might be playing the same MIDI, but they are not playing the same samples because of round robin and are introducing slight variations. You should be using Logic to feed a single DI’d signal from EZBass to three separate channels and add your amps and DI effects manually on each track and mix it that way. That is more of a re-amp and considering you are using Logic, you can contain your entire re-amp chain in a track stack.
jord
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Thanked by: admbmb, John and BradIn addition to Brad’s post, you are not creating a re-amp situation. You are creating a situation where the bass player recorded his part three times. Your three instances of EZBass might be playing the same MIDI, but they are not playing the same samples because of round robin and are introducing slight variations. You should be using Logic to feed a single DI’d signal from EZBass to three separate channels and add your amps and DI effects manually on each track and mix it that way. That is more of a re-amp and considering you are using Logic, you can contain your entire re-amp chain in a track stack.
jord
Good one Jord
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Thanked by: Bear-Faced CowAt first the thread title had me scratching my head in curiosity wondering why anyone would want to blend multiple instances of EZBass for an effect. Then reading
However, I know mixing engineers duplicate and re-amp and mix bass tracks all the time without getting this chorusy stuff.
I’m like going in my head, “no that’s not the same”. They might be duplicating audio files like you stated, or recording through multiple inputs amplifying each one differently, or taking a single audio file into three auxiliary inputs. Either way, it is a single instrument source. It has to be treated the same in EZBass. At times, I do this very thing in EZBass, when I am not recording a real bass guitar (let’s face it… EZBass has some kick-ass basses that I will probably never own).
jord
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