Topic: Cymbal muting

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Replied June 1, 2024 at 01:45 #3256701

Shootie
Participant

100% velocity will mute fast. Or program the choke on the Grid Editor is the articulation is available.

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Replied June 1, 2024 at 02:12 #3256706

olliepudge
Participant

Sorry, I forgot to mention I’m talking about cymbal muting with electronic drums. I used MIDI learn to program the cymbal mute, but it doesn’t mute as I mentioned before. It rings out and then mutes. I just want it to simply mute when I choke the cymbal. Thanks.

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Operating system: Windows 11
Replied June 1, 2024 at 03:36 #3256725

Bear-Faced Cow
Participant

It is a specialized articulation that is meant to be used with the mute tail feature of Superior Drummer. It is meant to be activated by using aftertouch or the note off value of the cymbal. It sounds proper using it this way.

jord

Jordan L. Chilcott

Web Site: https://jordanchilcottmusic.com/
Replied June 1, 2024 at 04:03 #3256730

olliepudge
Participant

Bear-Faced Cow wrote:

It is a specialized articulation that is meant to be used with the mute tail feature of Superior Drummer. It is meant to be activated by using aftertouch or the note off value of the cymbal. It sounds proper using it this way.

jord

Thanks for the information. I just need to know how to set it so the cymbal simply mutes when I choke the cymbal pad.

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Operating system: Windows 11

Replied June 1, 2024 at 04:14 #3256731

Shootie
Participant

You first make sure you are using hardware that is capable of aftertouch. SD3 is already ready to receive it by default. You should go to a support group of your ekit manufacturer if you can’t figure it out for yourself. It sounds like it cannot not and it’s sending the midi note for choke instead, which if you don’t hit it at 100% velocity, it will not work correctly. There may be a workaround to send 100% velocity on a cymbal grab, but I do not know it.

Typically when you use edrums you mention your ekit manufacturer/model first thing or put it in your signature.

I hope it works out for you. Best of luck!

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Replied June 1, 2024 at 04:40 #3256736

olliepudge
Participant

Shootie wrote:

You first make sure you are using hardware that is capable of aftertouch. SD3 is already ready to receive it by default. You should go to a support group of your ekit manufacturer if you can’t figure it out for yourself. It sounds like it cannot not and it’s sending the midi note for choke instead, which if you don’t hit it at 100% velocity, it will not work correctly. There may be a workaround to send 100% velocity on a cymbal grab, but I do not know it.

Typically when you use edrums you mention your ekit manufacturer/model first thing or put it in your signature.

I hope it works out for you. Best of luck!

Thanks Shootie. I’m using Roland cymbals with the Pearl Mimic Pro module. I am not familiar with this aftertouch feature you mentioned and I’m sure this is something simple to fix. I just don’t know how. Hopefully someone from Toontrack can help.

I have to say that this is very strange. I don’t understand why a cymbal mute wouldn’t simply mute the cymbal when choking the pad. This is how a real cymbal works obviously, so I’m not sure why SD3’s default settings wouldn’t work this way with edrums. I appreciate you taking the time to help.

Josh

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Operating system: Windows 11

Replied June 1, 2024 at 05:03 #3256739

Shootie
Participant

You’re welcome, It’s not a Toontrack problem, so they probably will not chime in.

Maybe another user will that knows your hardware, since that is the problem. When I’m dealing with complex hardware/edrum issues, I go to http://www.vdrums.com. Or if you’re the Facebook type, this is a great group… https://www.facebook.com/groups/579177292995927

You’re mixing brands of hardware, SD3 is not working as it does by default, sounds complex to me. I hope I’m wrong. I wouldn’t wait around here for a non-Toontrack problem. I would be looking to ask someone at Pearl or a Pearl Group if this head unit transmits aftertouch and will it still do that with a Roland cymbal. and I would reference the exact Roland cymbal model being used when asking. Best of luck.

*Muting a cymbal is not a midi note when edrumming. Yet that’s what you’re doing. It’s information called aftertouch that travels alongside midi… which is not what you’re doing. If you’re using all of this with Pro Tools, do write back. Aftertouch in this case has to be enabled via your DAW.

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Replied June 1, 2024 at 05:12 #3256740

Shootie
Participant

An afterthought is this. Do try the Pearl and Roland presets on the edrums tab in SD3. I assume they only affect mapping, but maybe aftertouch as well.

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Replied June 1, 2024 at 05:17 #3256741

olliepudge
Participant

Shootie wrote:

An afterthought is this. Do try the Pearl and Roland presets on the edrums tab in SD3. I assume they only affect mapping, but maybe aftertouch as well.

Yeah I found the user preset for the Pearl Mimic Pro and tried it. Everything is working perfectly except for the cymbal chokes. I will try the Roland preset as well. Thanks again Shootie.

Josh

Replied June 1, 2024 at 06:20 #3256753

olliepudge
Participant

Hi Toontrack Support,

I wanted to add that I just tested my drums with EZ Drummer 3 and the cymbals mutes are functioning normally. Any idea why I’m experiencing this problem with SD3?

Thanks,

Josh

Replied June 1, 2024 at 17:08 #3256907

Bear-Faced Cow
Participant

Check to ensure that either at the envelope or the choke/mute trigger are set. I use them regularly with my pad controllers without issue.

jord

Jordan L. Chilcott

Web Site: https://jordanchilcottmusic.com/

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Replied June 1, 2024 at 22:17 #3257029

olliepudge
Participant

Okay I’ll try that. Thanks

Replied June 2, 2024 at 05:29 #3257112

olliepudge
Participant

Hi all. I figured this out. There are actually two options for muting cymbals. To set up your cymbals for a quick mute, you have to do this in the Drums tab under MIDI mapping. There is an articulation called mute tail I believe (or something like that) that is not listed if you are under the Edrums/MIDI tab under Settings for some reason. It’s at the bottom of the list when you select the cymbal. I used MIDI learn for all cymbals and it’s working perfectly now. Just wanted to post this in case anyone else comes across this issue.

To the Toontrack team, please add this articulation under the Edrums/MIDI tab under Settings in the next update. I would’ve solved this issue much sooner if it had been in the list. It is not there.

Also important to note, I’ve only done this in the Rock Foundry library. It might be different in other libraries. Thanks again to everyone for your help.

Josh

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Replied June 3, 2024 at 09:16 #3257485

John
Moderator

Hi olliepudge,

the Mute Tail is not a separate articulation for trigger Learning, it is supposed to be triggered by Aftertouch if it is recorded (and loaded) for that Cymbal. Aftertouch is enabled by Default for such instruments but can be changed to Note Off triggering.

There are ‘Mute Hits’ recorded for most libraries but that is a separate articulation for keyboard triggering mainly.

BR,
John

John Rammelt - Toontrack
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Replied June 3, 2024 at 14:07 #3257570

olliepudge
Participant

John wrote:

Hi olliepudge,

the Mute Tail is not a separate articulation for trigger Learning, it is supposed to be triggered by Aftertouch if it is recorded (and loaded) for that Cymbal. Aftertouch is enabled by Default for such instruments but can be changed to Note Off triggering.

There are ‘Mute Hits’ recorded for most libraries but that is a separate articulation for keyboard triggering mainly.

BR,
John

Thanks John. I guess I’m just confused why the cymbal mute doesn’t default as an actual mute. As I mentioned before, this articulation is not a fast mute. It’s a cymbal hit with a delayed mute. When you choke a real cymbal, it mutes it obviously.

You mentioned keyboard triggering. I’m thinking as an actual drummer here and I know SD3 was partly designed for people who don’t play drums. I’m not familiar with aftertouch and I have no idea how any of that works, so I know that’s part of the issue.

That being said, I assure you that learning the mute tail in the Drums tab did work on my pads and my cymbals are muting correctly now.

Thanks,

Josh
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