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Cannot get closed Hi-Hat Sound – VH12 Roland TD30 SD3

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  • Replied April 2, 2024 at 13:18 #3235028
    drumjack52
    Participant

    I wish I could answer this but I see a lot of people having problems with hihats and drum triggers particularly the open/closed stuff. Tooontrack really needs to setup a FAQ with answers to this. Same thing with cymbal choking. For as good as the program is the documentation has holes that need to be plugged.


    Superior Drummer 3 version: 3.3.6
    Operating system: macOS High Sierra (10.13)

    Jack
    aka musicman691 on other forums
    Superior Drummer 3.4.0
    Area 33 1.0.0
    Death and Darkness 1.0.1
    PT 2021.6
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    Replied April 2, 2024 at 13:28 #3235033
    radaudiodesigns
    Participant

    Thanks, yeah I’ve read a lot of different posts with similar issues and tried the proposed changes, but cant seem to get it working correctly.

    Cant understand if the MIDI is being read correctly in SD3, why it isn’t transferring the correct articulation


    Superior Drummer 3 version: 3.3.6
    Operating system: Windows 11
    Replied April 2, 2024 at 14:55 #3235051
    drumjack52
    Participant
    radaudiodesigns wrote:

    Thanks, yeah I’ve read a lot of different posts with similar issues and tried the proposed changes, but cant seem to get it working correctly.

    Cant understand if the MIDI is being read correctly in SD3, why it isn’t transferring the correct articulation

    Superior Drummer 3 version: 3.3.6
    Operating system: Windows 11

    Try this: get the free MIDI-OX utility and run it standalone on your computer and it should tell you exactly what your e-kit is sending and if it’s what you think it should be.


    Superior Drummer 3 version: 3.3.6
    Operating system: macOS High Sierra (10.13)

    Jack
    aka musicman691 on other forums
    Superior Drummer 3.4.0
    Area 33 1.0.0
    Death and Darkness 1.0.1
    PT 2021.6
    OSX 10.13.6
    3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram

    Replied April 2, 2024 at 15:20 #3235069
    Mark King
    Participant

    Have you got the td30/20 preset selected in edrum section? I know this works as I was using a vh12 with a td30 up until a couple of months ago. Also are all the td30 out nites standard? do you mean fully open or just slightly open? I found that once I calibrated the hi hat on the td30 I then adjusted on the td30 to be a but tighter. This never I’m;acted the onboard sounds noticeably

    SD3 with older sdx,s plus Rooms of Hansa and Death & Darkness. Cubase and wavelab current versions. Roland TD50x using all trigger inputs for triggering SD3 only. Windows 11 computer. Various keyboards and outboard gear as well as VST instruments. Acoustic drums: Yamaha 9000 natural wood and Pearl masters. Various snare drums. RME BabyFace Pro FS and Adam A7X monitors

    Replied April 2, 2024 at 15:29 #3235074
    radaudiodesigns
    Participant

    Thanks – yes, have the TD30 preset selected in the edrum tab. I’ve calibrated the VH12 in the module, following this video on youtube – (https://youtu.be/RN0qsbVgUyw?si=6nJRE-ytwfIyRyP-)

    “Also are all the td30 out nites standard?” Apologies – not sure what you mean? All of the TD30 settings are standard, Global local control is off, Midi USB on. All other triggers are working perfectly and the MIDI is being monitored correctly in SD3, its just not providing a closed hat sound.

    i mean open rather than fully open, but not closed or tightly closed. I can stand on the pedal, trigger 127 in the midi monitor and it still delivers an open sound, even with aggressive settings on the slider in the hihat control on SD3.

     

    Replied April 2, 2024 at 19:25 #3235155
    John
    Moderator

    Hi,

    though Mike does a great job in that video, it’s 6 years old and the SD3 software has evolved from the version he is using.
    If you have selected the TD-30 preset and entered the Hi-Hat Pedal tab in SD3, you can ‘Calibrate’ the fully open and closed tight range via the button to the right.Screenshot-2024-04-02-at-19.24.50

    Next, you can manually tweak the different open positions.

    BR,
    John

    John Rammelt - Toontrack
    Technical Advisor

    Replied April 2, 2024 at 20:20 #3235169
    radaudiodesigns
    Participant

    Hi John, thanks for the message. I’ve tried this with various different levels on the sliders and it makes no difference.

    Also tried the default preset and that doesn’t work either.

    It’s more that the sounds aren’t assigned correctly, as the midi and indicators on the sliders are correct based on pedal position.

    When I have the hats closed, the tight option on the slider lights up green, but the sound doesn’t change from a semi open sound.

    I tried a different kit and different cymbal also and still no joy?

    If the midi numbers are being picked up, why is it not sending the correct annotation?

    Replied April 2, 2024 at 22:50 #3235200
    Mark King
    Participant

    Sorry I must have hit some wrong keys. Yes I meant is everything standard. The vh12 also has pressure sense when you push the hats together. As I say I adjusted the td30 after calibrating as it needed a bit extra to get better closed sound.

    SD3 with older sdx,s plus Rooms of Hansa and Death & Darkness. Cubase and wavelab current versions. Roland TD50x using all trigger inputs for triggering SD3 only. Windows 11 computer. Various keyboards and outboard gear as well as VST instruments. Acoustic drums: Yamaha 9000 natural wood and Pearl masters. Various snare drums. RME BabyFace Pro FS and Adam A7X monitors

    Replied April 2, 2024 at 23:26 #3235209
    drumjack52
    Participant
    Mark King wrote:

    Sorry I must have hit some wrong keys. Yes I meant is everything standard. The vh12 also has pressure sense when you push the hats together. As I say I adjusted the td30 after calibrating as it needed a bit extra to get better closed sound.

    Makes sense and not just for drums. Same thing with clutch adjustment on a motorcycle – the manual only goes so far and then one has to go from there. Just make notes as to what you do so you can go back if necessary.


    Superior Drummer 3 version: 3.3.6
    Operating system: macOS High Sierra (10.13)

    Jack
    aka musicman691 on other forums
    Superior Drummer 3.4.0
    Area 33 1.0.0
    Death and Darkness 1.0.1
    PT 2021.6
    OSX 10.13.6
    3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram

    Replied April 3, 2024 at 08:05 #3235288
    radaudiodesigns
    Participant

    Thanks for the replys. I think what ill do is start from scratch, take lots of pictures/screen shots and come back and post them here- maybe that will help identify if there is an obvious problem

    Replied April 3, 2024 at 11:10 #3235313
    John
    Moderator
    radaudiodesigns wrote:

    When I have the hats closed, the tight option on the slider lights up green, but the sound doesn’t change from a semi open sound.

    Strange indeed, if you have a look in the TD-30 settings, exactly which note numbers are you sending from your module to trigger the different HH zones?

    This is all in SD3 standalone, right? Not in a DAW?

    BR,
    John

    John Rammelt - Toontrack
    Technical Advisor

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