Topic: Hi-Hat CC works when recording but not during playback

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Replied March 8, 2024 at 18:16 #3225561

pumpkinking
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Not sure if this is your issue, but I had a similar symptom a few weeks back. Turned out that my hi-hat was sending alternating low CC values 1 and 2 every few seconds all the time (the top hat cymbal clutch was too low and it was never fully opening, so sitting at 1&2 instead of 0). When I played live and recorded, all was fine (you’d not notice a CC value of 2 instead of 0). But on playback, midi from the kit overrides what is in the recording, so the recorded hihat CC was being replaced by the 1&2 values that the kit was sending while I was playing back the recording.

I found this by catching movement in the midi monitor in the corner of my eye after maybe 10-15 minutes of pointless frustration staring at the grid editor CC panel.

Superior Drummer 3 version: 3.3.6
Operating system: macOS Sonoma (14)

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Replied March 8, 2024 at 19:43 #3225581

drdrum
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Im having this problem too. I have a TD27. When recording I play about 5-6 takes on my Mac and then bring the session to my windows machine(Drums are in the basement).

I use Studio one on both machines. Ill go through the takes and a couple of takes have the open hats and a couple are good.

Looking for a solution also.

Superior Drummer 3 version: 3.3.6 EZ Bass 1.1.8 EZ Keys 2 2.0.4
Operating system: MacOSX 15.7 Catalina and Win10 64

Replied March 10, 2024 at 05:56 #3226243

John Saunders
Participant

Same here. New to SD3 and Reaper. Old Yamaha DTExpress IV (Which maps better on DTPro preset than DTExpress) Hihat controller works fine when playing live or recording, but when I play back the recording, the hihat sound corresponds to the current hihat pedal position, e.g. open if my foot is not on the pedal during playback. Why is the current hihat pedal position overriding the pedal position when I recorded? I also did not have this problem until this week. Did I change a setting accidentally?

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Replied March 12, 2024 at 05:01 #3226916

John Saunders
Participant

Found an answer in a Reaper forum from 2020, “Superior Drummer and e-drums hi-hat issue.” I can’t figure out how to paste the link here and there is more tech stuff than I understand. They made it playback with the recorded pedal position, not the current pedal position, by NOT holding the HH pedal down when the recording is started. Which is a weird thing, who doesn’t put their foot on the pedal when they’re ready to play? Anyway, since this works so far, I’m wondering if someone smart can tell me why this works and what to do to make it work automatically, so I don’t have to remember to have my foot off the pedal every time I hit record. Is the pedal in down position sending a signal that messes this up? Or not sending a signal that is needed?

Replied March 12, 2024 at 09:03 #3226950

John
Moderator

Hi,

as I understand it, without reading the Reaper Forum post, is that if you are sending CC messages to an already recorded track, the real-time CC messages will mess with the recorded. It could be caused by small movements on the pedal while listening back on what you recorded or a faulty controller/cable. If you are using a DAW with MIDI In/Thru on the Track, I would simply select another track after recording.

BR,
John

John Rammelt - Toontrack
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Replied March 12, 2024 at 14:09 #3227042

Bear-Faced Cow
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It sounds to me like the MIDI CC codes are being filtered out when recording. Check your settings in Reaper (I know Logic has the ability to filter CC codes).

You also have to remember that MIDI is data and not audio in the sense that unless Reaper has a “chase” buffer when counting in, any MIDI data sent before the recording may not be recorded. It’s not any different than playing a keyboard. So, if you’re putting your foot on the pedal beforehand, you will have to adjust your ways.

To your DAW, all MIDI is treated equally.

jord

Jordan L. Chilcott

Web Site: https://jordanchilcottmusic.com/

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Hi-Hat CC works when recording but not during playback

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