bpjacobsenI have a pad that is set to midi note 42 (tom) and a splash cymbal set to 96 in eDrumin. For some ungodly reason, in SD3, the splash is registering both 96 and 42 at the same time and it’s driving me out of my mind. I can’t figure out how to fix this. It was working fine and I just started noticing this change. WTH? and if I try to use the midi settings screen to hit the cymbal and change to splash, the tom them registers the splash. This is happening basically on all Death and Darkness presets/projects. Not on fields of rock etc. I just don’t’ get it! Grrrr!
pumpkinkingHave you confirmed that you have no mapping set for these midi notes? You can open the midi map, hit each trigger and watch the midi log to see what the incoming value is and how it is being mapped. I believe midi notes that are modified by mapping show up as green.
bpjacobsenStill can’t seem to figure this one out. See video. Hopefully this helps get me an answer.
bpjacobsenOK I finally figured out the problem. I had moved my splash to the same mount as the tom so it’s cross triggering. Seems like no matter how I adjust the threshold in edrum, it still triggers the tom. So I either need to acquire ‘yet another’ stand to separate it Or I need to figure out how to dampen the stand so that hits on the splash don’t vibrate the stand and trigger the tom. I took the boom with the splash off the stand and hit it and it did not trigger the tom at all. If I just even slightly tap the top of the stand/mount where the splash boom attaches, it triggers the 42 note which is the tom. Any suggestions on how to make this work so I don’t have to spend money yet again on a stand?
BradOK I finally figured out the problem. I had moved my splash to the same mount as the tom so it’s cross triggering. Seems like no matter how I adjust the threshold in edrum, it still triggers the tom. So I either need to acquire ‘yet another’ stand to separate it Or I need to figure out how to dampen the stand so that hits on the splash don’t vibrate the stand and trigger the tom. I took the boom with the splash off the stand and hit it and it did not trigger the tom at all. If I just even slightly tap the top of the stand/mount where the splash boom attaches, it triggers the 42 note which is the tom. Any suggestions on how to make this work so I don’t have to spend money yet again on a stand?
- This post was modified 1 year, 5 months ago by bpjacobsen.
Hi there, could you save the preset as a project file, zip the file and post it so I can play around with it and see if I can determine what’s up?
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Mark KingIt sounds like you need to look at the crosstalk settings on the edrumin between those two inputs.
SD3 with older sdx,s plus Rooms of Hansa and Death & Darkness. Cubase and wavelab current versions. Roland TD50x using all trigger inputs for triggering SD3 only. Windows 11 computer. Various keyboards and outboard gear as well as VST instruments. Acoustic drums: Yamaha 9000 natural wood and Pearl masters. Various snare drums. RME BabyFace Pro FS and Adam A7X monitors
Kenhi there,
I get the same thing all the time. Obviously, mechanical separation is the best for any pad that you use regardless of brand. Seeing as most kits come on a rack…
it is a fine balance between losing the ghost triggers, and not losing the ability to do roughs, etc.
after watching your video, I see that you got one hell of a set up. In my case, I have very limited space so I still had to buy separate stands for 2 of my cymbols.
Mine is a Yamaha kit and the rack system uses much smaller mountings for the cymbols. Basically I use the stands for my crashes and the rack mountings for my rides.
I run trigger IO interfaces for all my pads with the exception of the snare and high hat, which I use my original Yamaha, DTX. this is because they are three zone pads. The trigger I/O has both sensitivity settings and cross talk settings. This allows me to adjust accordingly.
It’s a physical transportation of vibration to the other pad. You have to somehow separate that.
Good luck
cheers Ken
Cheers Ken
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Mark KingNot everyone has English as their native language so as long as we know what the word is supposed to mean. You do see some rather interesting spelling of cymbals though.
SD3 with older sdx,s plus Rooms of Hansa and Death & Darkness. Cubase and wavelab current versions. Roland TD50x using all trigger inputs for triggering SD3 only. Windows 11 computer. Various keyboards and outboard gear as well as VST instruments. Acoustic drums: Yamaha 9000 natural wood and Pearl masters. Various snare drums. RME BabyFace Pro FS and Adam A7X monitors
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Thanked by: KenKenThank you for your really helpful comment Mr blueminstreal. I’m sure the person looking for information in this blog found your comment. Very helpful. And yes, I am dyslexic. Give it a drive sometime chump
Cheers Ken
SD 3.3.6 on Windows 10 | Cubase 11 Pro DAW
expansions : N.Y.Avitar | Latin percussion
Yamaha multi 12 | DTX 450k | Trigger IO (x2)
Super stupid fast computer with i9 and 18 speed double clutch gearbox
5. Audio interfaces.
KenI think I will go crawl under a rock somewhere and stop with my Canadian English dyslexic, comments. Real Canadian not imported. If you know who Lady Diana is, she is a very distant relative of mine.
oh, and yes, I do dictate to Siri because of my dyslexia and she ain’t so good at getting it right either
Cheers Ken
SD 3.3.6 on Windows 10 | Cubase 11 Pro DAW
expansions : N.Y.Avitar | Latin percussion
Yamaha multi 12 | DTX 450k | Trigger IO (x2)
Super stupid fast computer with i9 and 18 speed double clutch gearbox
5. Audio interfaces.
Mark KingI spell check everything as I’m not too good with words either. It gets difficult if you can’t get close though as the spell checker comes up with the wrong thing. It’s had me scratching my head at times.
SD3 with older sdx,s plus Rooms of Hansa and Death & Darkness. Cubase and wavelab current versions. Roland TD50x using all trigger inputs for triggering SD3 only. Windows 11 computer. Various keyboards and outboard gear as well as VST instruments. Acoustic drums: Yamaha 9000 natural wood and Pearl masters. Various snare drums. RME BabyFace Pro FS and Adam A7X monitors
pumpkinkingOK I finally figured out the problem. I had moved my splash to the same mount as the tom so it’s cross triggering. Seems like no matter how I adjust the threshold in edrum, it still triggers the tom. So I either need to acquire ‘yet another’ stand to separate it Or I need to figure out how to dampen the stand so that hits on the splash don’t vibrate the stand and trigger the tom. I took the boom with the splash off the stand and hit it and it did not trigger the tom at all. If I just even slightly tap the top of the stand/mount where the splash boom attaches, it triggers the 42 note which is the tom. Any suggestions on how to make this work so I don’t have to spend money yet again on a stand?
- This post was modified 1 year, 5 months ago by bpjacobsen.
A couple of things to consider…
I believe you have two eDrumin modules, make sure they are connected in series so the crosstalk cancelation works for all triggers even spread across modules. I have two ED10s in series and I get no crosstalk (although I can see cross hits in the raw trigger data for sure).
In your video, when you hit the splash cymbal, it seemed like it did not move. You might loosen the cymbal so that it can rebound from the stick. If the cymbal is completely rigid, it will transfer more of the vibration down the stand.
And lastly, make sure that all of your triggers are connected only by their mounting, and none of them are resting against or touching the frame or another trigger. I did have an issue where tom pads were touching each other (it can be hard to pack a bunch of triggers together on a rack without them touching), and I was getting a little crosstalk between the two triggers that were touching. When you have a single mount point for a trigger, the vibration leaked into the rack is less than it is when you have multiple contact points.
oh yea – one last thing: I have a double cymbal stand that is separate from the tom rack and I have it firmly attached to the rack with Velcro but I did make sure to avoid metal-on-metal by inserting some wraps of Velcro between the rack and the stand. I found that metal-on-metal was a good way to get crosstalk.
Hope this helps and good luck!
KenI just wrote a very nice thank you note and explained how I reverse things in my audio interfaces. I did not know there is a limit to text. Because it blew up and I’ve lost everything
Cheers Ken
SD 3.3.6 on Windows 10 | Cubase 11 Pro DAW
expansions : N.Y.Avitar | Latin percussion
Yamaha multi 12 | DTX 450k | Trigger IO (x2)
Super stupid fast computer with i9 and 18 speed double clutch gearbox
5. Audio interfaces.
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