Jason MorrisHi!
I have an Efnote 7X kit that I am trying to use with SD3.
I “mostly” have things working pretty well, but cymbal chokes are giving me a hard time.
The only way the work “at all” is to select “Lower Choke Threshold”
and then after the first cymbal choke, the cymbals only triggered dampened sounds.
UNLESS I enable “Single Choke Mode”, but then for whatever reason Studio One doesn’t record the cymbal chokes.
Not sure if that’s a Studio One issue, or an issue with my set up.
I am pretty new to SD3 and E-drumming in general, so its entirely possible that there is some bit that needs twiddling, but I don’t know what it is.
That’s where you guys come in. 🙂
Anyone with experience with EFnote drums and SD3 able to point me in the right direction?
drumjack52Where are you enabling single choke mode? If in your ekit download & run the free utility snoize MIDI monitor software and run it standalone. It will tell you what MIDI note and messages your ekit is sending. See if it corresponds to what SD3 wants to see for cymbal chokes. Also make sure Studio One isn’t filtering out nay MIDI messages.
Jack
aka musicman691 on other forums
Superior Drummer 3.4.0
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Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
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MYG-wie-noch-nieHi Jason and Jack, I am having the same issue with an Efnote 5X. The SD3 Standalone app does not recognize/process the relevant midi messages coming from the ekit module, either. I am wondering where I can find/identify the midi message(s) that SD3 expects for chokes. As far as I can see in the settings/midi-in-panel there are specific mute-samples for the individual cymbals but that is probably not what we are looking for. As soon as I know what SD3 is listening to I could at least use a midi modifier in my DAW (Cubase) in order to give SD3 the message it needs. Thanks in advance. 🙂
drumjack52Doing a web search only turns up something about aftertouch doing the choke but not how to really set it up whether in one’s e-kit, in SD3 or wherever. Wish I could help more. Maybe Jord or someone like him could chime in on this?
Jack
aka musicman691 on other forums
Superior Drummer 3.4.0
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram
Jason MorrisJack,
I am setting single choke mode in the Settings -> MIDI In/E-Drums.
I have a preset enabled (I created a 7x preset)
Below the “Use Preset” button there is a “Edit” drop down.
If you click that, you can see
Single Choke Mode (Recommended from some EAlesis and Millenium E-Kits)
and
Lower Choke Threshold.
I have both of those checked.
This works fine in the Stand alone superior app, and seems to work fine in every DAW except Studio One, so im guessing there is something in studio one that is causing the problem.
I’ll probably just stick to Cubase since it seems to be working for me.
Jason MorrisMYG,
I’d make sure you have enabled the preset for the EFNote 5, as well as Single Choke Mode and Lower Choke Threshold.
The Efnote outputs the aftertouch at a velocity of 48 which isn’t enough to trigger SD3.
“Lower Choke Threshold” will increase the velocity to 127.
“Single Choke Mode” seems to be necessary as well, because it doesn’t look like releasing the cymbal sends another MIDI message.
So without that setting, once you grab the cymbal they will stay choked for subsequent hits.
That Single Choke Mode is what doesnt seem to work with Studio One. Not sure why, but like I said its working with other DAWs.
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Thanked by: drumjack52MYG-wie-noch-nieHey Jason, thank you very much. These are super valuable tips. Unfortunately, I can’t test it out today, but I’ll let you know if it works. Many greetings, Michael
drumjack52Jack,
I am setting single choke mode in the Settings -> MIDI In/E-Drums.
I have a preset enabled (I created a 7x preset)
Below the “Use Preset” button there is a “Edit” drop down.
If you click that, you can see
Single Choke Mode (Recommended from some EAlesis and Millenium E-Kits)
and
Lower Choke Threshold.
I have both of those checked.
This works fine in the Stand alone superior app, and seems to work fine in every DAW except Studio One, so im guessing there is something in studio one that is causing the problem.
I’ll probably just stick to Cubase since it seems to be working for me.
- This post was modified 1 year, 9 months ago by Jason Morris.
Check to see if Studio One is filtering incoming MIDI messages.
Jack
aka musicman691 on other forums
Superior Drummer 3.4.0
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram
MYG-wie-noch-nieHey Jason, thank you very much! Your advice solved my problem and worked perfectly. You have helped me a lot.
Strato IncendusHi everyone,
I’m facing a similar issue. I’ve used this same combination — “lower choke threshold” and “single choke mode” in Superior Drummer 3 on MacOS Catalina with an Efnote 3X. It works fine to choke the cymbals as long as the sounds on the edge and bow of the crash pad, or bell, edge, and bow of the ride pad, all belong to the same type of cymbal (such as bow and edge of the same crash, or ride bell, ride bow, ride edge).
What does not work, however, is choking if I assign a different type of cymbal to the edge than to the bow. For example, I like to put a splash sound on the edge of my left crash, another crash sound on my ride edge, and a china sound on the edge of my right crash. I’ve read that quite a few players seem to do this, to save on space and money that would otherwise be needed for additional cymbal pads (plus, some electronic drumsets can only be expanded so far before they run out of inputs anyway).
The additional cymbal sounds can be placed on the edges, but they cannot be choked — only the sounds on the bow can (which are the crash and ride sounds, respectively, but not the crash sound on the edge of the ride).
The strange thing is, this was no problem with my previous decade-old Roland drumset (TD-9): There it was perfectly possible to choke both the crashes and the splash/china/extra crash on the ride edge. So it must be something about the Efnote 3X. However, it can’t be the case that the aftertouch signal of the Efnote only applies to the bow of the pad in general — because, as I’ve stated, I can choke the edge sound, but only if the edge sound is a different articulation of the same cymbal type (such as ride bow, ride edge).
Any ideas on how to fix this, so that I don’t have to play with partially choke-able, partially non-choke-able cymbals?
Secondly, I still have my Metal Machinery and Avatar presets in Superior Drummer 2, since opening those projects in Superior Drummer 3 to transfer all the setting is not possible, for all I know. Superior Drummer 2, as far as I can tell, does not have this “lower choke threshold” option yet. Hence, when I’m using my Efnote 3X with Superior Drummer 2, I can’t seem to choke any cymbals at all. Is this just a hopeless case, or is there a way to make it work? Again, it was never an issue with the Roland TD-9.
If the problem is the low velocity of the Efnote aftertouch signals, are there any devices which could amplify that velocity? So that I don’t have to make any edits inside Superior Drummer 2 or 3 itself? (I’m still not sure this would solve the “bow can be choked, but edge with a different cymbal cannot” issue, since that one doesn’t seem to be related to the issue of lower-velocity aftertouch signals.)
MechanIXHi everyone,
Got the same issue as Stratus Incendus describes. I’m actually leaving my old but beloved TD-8 which worked seamlessly in SD3. I’m on an EfNote 3X since yesterday.
The painful bit is that it works well everywhere else but the edge, I’d rather have proper crash behavior with choke on the edge and extra sounds on other places, feels more natural…
We need a fix here !
Best regards,
MechanIX
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