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  • Replied May 22, 2023 at 17:09 #3100499
    Mick Avoidant
    Participant

    I don’t have that problem at all. Are you playing on an electric kit? If so, your mapping might be sending your cymbal hits to choked. I don’t know how to change mapping.

    Another workabout would be to load third party samples into EZD. Choke doesn’t work on those. Loading them is as easy as dragging a sample onto a cymbal and saving the kit.

    Replied May 22, 2023 at 17:37 #3100510
    michael terry
    Participant

    Thanks for your response…. I use a komplete Kontrol keyboard, Mashine, and sometimes I draw a crash into the piano roll. It doesn’t matter. When an open crash goes in, n playback the cymbol is choked. I’ve had this problem for years. Toontrack blames it on the DAW…. Well, I use 4 different DAWs and it happens in each one.

    Replied May 22, 2023 at 17:42 #3100513
    Mick Avoidant
    Participant

    Try loading your own cymbal samples. I have five on the Metal kit. Some were downloaded, and I sampled others in my nearby shop.

    Replied May 22, 2023 at 20:29 #3100561
    Brad
    Participant
    michael terry wrote:

    I’m a former drummer as well and love to play in my own parts using Toontrack products. I am dumbfounded as to why the Toontrack kits are all programmed to choking the crash cymbals. I play in a crash which sounds just fine going in but on playback is choked. This is on every Superior drummer kit…. I have learned to go into the kit settings and turn off aftertouch. Problem solved. Then I do a drum track with ez drummer 3….. same thing!
    I would think the default would be an open crash…. Oh no, every friggin cymbal is choked…. So, I spent a good 45 minutes trying to turn off aftertouch in EZ… no luck and I moved the part over to SP where I can turn AT off. I just wanna put a crash cymbal in a half dozen spots in song but usually wind up researching issues about choked cymbols in various forums. Why is a choked cymbol the default?

    EZdrummer version: 3.0.6
    Operating system: macOS Ventura (13)

    Hi there,
    Can you post a few bars where this is happening in a .mid file?

     


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    Replied May 22, 2023 at 20:49 #3100565
    Mick Avoidant
    Participant

    It’s not ‘programmed’ to do that. It doesn’t do it to me, nor anyone else I know. I’ve told you a fix for it. Up to you to use it or not.

    Replied May 22, 2023 at 21:17 #3100573
    John
    Moderator
    michael terry wrote:

    Why is a choked cymbol the default?

    It is not.
    As Brad wrote, we need either a Project where this is happening or a MIDI file to see what actually is going on.

    BR,
    John

    John Rammelt - Toontrack
    Technical Advisor

    Replied May 22, 2023 at 23:17 #3100597
    michael terry
    Participant

    attaching a midi file…. first crash seems fine… second crash is cut off.

    In follow up to the other moderator ….. I’ve invested 1000.00 plus in Toontrack drum VIs. I would like to fix the problem  as opposed to a work around.

    these kits sound great and I would like to use them as is.


    EZdrummer version: 3.0.6
    Operating system: macOS Ventura (13)
    Replied May 23, 2023 at 00:32 #3100614
    Mick Avoidant
    Participant

    My workaround would let you have long cymbal crashes whilst waiting for the full fix.

    Replied May 23, 2023 at 00:37 #3100618
    michael terry
    Participant

    all due respect…. you mean the full fix I’ve been waiting for for 5 years now? lol…. and I truly don’t mean any disrespect… pls take it in that spirit.

    And actually, your work around does sound like an interesting way to spend an afternoon… I know I’ve got some great samples lying’ around.

    Replied May 23, 2023 at 01:09 #3100622
    Bear-Faced Cow
    Participant

    I just looked at your MIDI file. It’s not a Toontrack issue. You are sending a bunch of aftertouch messages which are choking your cymbals.

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    I use Maschine contrrollers as well. How do you have them set up?

    jord

    Jordan L. Chilcott

    Web Site: https://jordanchilcottmusic.com/

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    Replied May 23, 2023 at 02:01 #3100636
    Mick Avoidant
    Participant

    I had fun with samples. A friend sent me some samples of trash cymbals, when said I was looking for some. With his and some I sampled in the shop, I have a bespoke set of cymbals. EZD keeps them under User Audio Files.

    Replied May 23, 2023 at 07:14 #3100674
    michael terry
    Participant

    To Jordan, I appreciate that heads up and I’ve known for years now that it’s not a Toontrack issue but nobody at Toontrack has ever suggested anything on how to fix it.  If I’m using a komplete kontrol keyboard how would I make it so aftertouch info is not recorded? And the same with Mashine.

    Replied May 23, 2023 at 07:17 #3100675
    michael terry
    Participant

    And like I’ve said earlier, I have preset kits in Superior Drummer where aftertouch is turned off but in ez drummer3 I could not turn off AT… does anyone know how

    Replied May 23, 2023 at 07:43 #3100678
    John
    Moderator

    Hi, as Jordan wrote, you have a bunch of Aftertouch messages and the only way to not get them on your track is to turn it off in your MIDI controller software.

    When the MIDI is in EZD3, you can simply switch to the Aftertouch lane in the Grid Editor and lasso-select all Aftertouch blocks and delete them. If you select all blocks att the same time, it’s a pretty quick 3-click solution.

    Turning off the Aftertouch function is not possible in EZD3.

    BR,
    John

    John Rammelt - Toontrack
    Technical Advisor

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    Replied May 23, 2023 at 14:15 #3100746
    Bear-Faced Cow
    Participant

    AfterTouch messages on Maschine can be controlled with NI’s Controller Editor. You might be able to do the same for your keyboard. However, I don’t own one from NI so I wouldn’t know.

    Besides, you shouldn’t have to be karate chopping your MIDI controllers to get a good drum groove. That probably explains all of the AT messages.

    Jord

    Jordan L. Chilcott

    Web Site: https://jordanchilcottmusic.com/

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