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Hello, I use superior Drummer 3 with my Roland drum kit. I can play all of the superior drummers core library, orchestral, death and darkness at 9600 sample and a 128 buffer. With a 3.8 milisecond latency and no issue with audio. When ever I load the presets from area 33 I get a cpu overload and issues with the audio. I don’t have any issue playing the raw kits in area 33 though. Only the available presets. I’m also not experiencing this issue in any other sdx or the core library. Is there any way to solve this without increasing the buffer and in return the latency?
Drum sound module: TD-27
Snare: PD-140DS
Tom1: PDA100-MS
Tom2: PDA120-MS
Tom3: PDA140F-MS
Tom4: PDA140F-MS
Hi-hat: VH-14D
Crash1: CY-14C-T
Crash2: CY-16R-T
Crash3: CY-14C-T
Crash4: CY-16R-T
Ride: CY-18DR
Kick: KD-200MS
Computer: Hp Envy 17t CR-0000
32GB Ram
1TB Internal SSD, 2TB External SSD
Windows 11 Pro
Audio Interface: Apollo Solo Thunderbolt 3
VST: Superior Drummer 3
SDX:Area 33, Death and Darkness, Fields of Rock, Legacy of Rock, Orchestral, Rooms of Hansa
Any reason you’re running at a 96K sample rate?
You’ve essentially answered your own question. It’s the plugins used in SD3 that are more likely than not the culprit here. Try disabling the plugins when recording and see what that gets you. If you’re playing live and need those plugins then I don’t know what to say.
Jack
aka musicman691 on other forums
Superior Drummer 3.4.0
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram
96000 is the only thing that seems to work with my laptop and interface. Anything lower has a lot of issues with the audio and crashes the driver, unless I raise the buffer substantially. 96000 at 128 seems to be the sweet spot, except when it comes to area 33. This is a separate question but is what I just said a normal thing to happen. I thought a lower sample rate would allow for a lower buffer. That doesn’t seem to be the case with my laptop though.
Drum sound module: TD-27
Snare: PD-140DS
Tom1: PDA100-MS
Tom2: PDA120-MS
Tom3: PDA140F-MS
Tom4: PDA140F-MS
Hi-hat: VH-14D
Crash1: CY-14C-T
Crash2: CY-16R-T
Crash3: CY-14C-T
Crash4: CY-16R-T
Ride: CY-18DR
Kick: KD-200MS
Computer: Hp Envy 17t CR-0000
32GB Ram
1TB Internal SSD, 2TB External SSD
Windows 11 Pro
Audio Interface: Apollo Solo Thunderbolt 3
VST: Superior Drummer 3
SDX:Area 33, Death and Darkness, Fields of Rock, Legacy of Rock, Orchestral, Rooms of Hansa
96000 is the only thing that seems to work with my laptop and interface. Anything lower has a lot of issues with the audio and crashes the driver, unless I raise the buffer substantially. 96000 at 128 seems to be the sweet spot, except when it comes to area 33. This is a separate question but is what I just said a normal thing to happen. I thought a lower sample rate would allow for a lower buffer. That doesn’t seem to be the case with my laptop though.
If 96K sample rate is all you can use because of problems then you have some serious system issues that need to be fixed. What else do you have running? WiFi? Turn it off. Anything wireless like that will mess with your system. Are you using the right drivers for your interface? What interface are you using? How is it connected to your computer? Like I said disable the effects in the SD3 presets for Area 33 and see what happens. Being you’re on Windows have you done any system optimizations like turning off stuff you don’t need? Something is eating computer cycles and I don’t think it’s necessarily due to anything in SD3. And don’t forget to turn off any power savings measures in Windows as that can raise havoc if not done.
I used to run a Windows system back in the day and getting a system running right can be a handful.
Jack
aka musicman691 on other forums
Superior Drummer 3.4.0
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram
I’m using an hp envy 17t cr-0000 with an intel i7 1260P processor. I have 32 gb of ram with a 1TB internal ssd drive and a 2tb external ssd drive holding Superior Drummer 3. My interface is a Universal Audio Apollo Solo with a Thunderbolt 3 connection. I’ve tried a couple different cables to make sure that’s not the issue. I’m triggering Superior Drummer 3 with my Roland TD-27 Module and my v-drum kit.
While using superior drummer 3, I turn on game mode and airplane mode. My drivers for my interface should be up to date and I believe I am using the correct one. I run Superior Drummer 3 through Ableton Lite.
Long story short, I’ve actually had this issue with two computers, brand new, the same exact model…. That’s a long story and holds no bearing to the issue. That being the case, I don’t believe it’s a hardware issue though.
When I lower the sample rate I get crackling in the audio, until I raise the buffer to a higher rate. At that point the latency is quite noticeable. 96k at a 128 buffer seem to be the sweet spot. I get about 3.8 milliseconds of latency and no crackling, except when I’m using the presets in Area 33. I can raise the buffer rate but in return the latency.
Do you have any recommendations? Thank you for your help and time!
Drum sound module: TD-27
Snare: PD-140DS
Tom1: PDA100-MS
Tom2: PDA120-MS
Tom3: PDA140F-MS
Tom4: PDA140F-MS
Hi-hat: VH-14D
Crash1: CY-14C-T
Crash2: CY-16R-T
Crash3: CY-14C-T
Crash4: CY-16R-T
Ride: CY-18DR
Kick: KD-200MS
Computer: Hp Envy 17t CR-0000
32GB Ram
1TB Internal SSD, 2TB External SSD
Windows 11 Pro
Audio Interface: Apollo Solo Thunderbolt 3
VST: Superior Drummer 3
SDX:Area 33, Death and Darkness, Fields of Rock, Legacy of Rock, Orchestral, Rooms of Hansa
What are game mode and airplane mode? Have you done any system optimizations? Most Windows machines especially laptops have a whole bunch of crap running that will hinder performance. Are you running any wireless stuff like Wifi? Are you also using the Apollo for system sounds?
2.1GHz cpu isn’t all that great – don’t depend on turbo boost. A lower sample rate should NOT give you crackles in the audio. If anything a lower sample rate will make it easier on the computer. Being that every other Toontrack stuff is running fine I’d not necessarily put the onus on Area 33. Have you tried as I asked and bypassed or deleted the plugins in SD3 that are used in the presets? Being the raw kits play fine according to you that’s what I would do – delete the plugins in SD3 from the patch.
Jack
aka musicman691 on other forums
Superior Drummer 3.4.0
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram
Hello, thanks for your help. Game mode turns off windows update, and other background activity while you’re using whatever application you choose. Airplane mode turns off all wireless connectivity to the device so I think I have those bases covered. I’ve turned off every application on start up that didn’t seem necessary.
I may not have explained things clearly.
The following examples are given using area 33 SDX with the Agrimotor preset. This one seems to have a few plugins running in it. Hence the performance issues.
At a 44100 sample rate with a 128 buffer I get 8.5 milliseconds latency. Any buffer lower then that cause Cracking and signals a cpu overload in Ableton.
At a 4800 sample rate and 128 buffer I get 7.3ms latency. Any buffer rate below that I get the aforementioned crackling and cpu overload signal.
At a 96000 sample rate I need to increase the buffer to 256. In order to avoid the crackling and cpu overload. At this I get about 6.5ms of latency.
Using these setting I’m seeing about 30% cpu usage in idle. Does all of this seem normal to you?
Generally, I have been using a 9600 sample rate at a 128 buffer. This gives me 3.8 ms latency. Which is the lowest I’ve been able to get it to work stability. I don’t have any real issue using this. Although the cpu is at about 50% at idle.
It seems like the computer can’t handle lower than a 128 buffer at any sample rate without having audio issues.
Does that sound normal given the components of my laptop or do you still believe there is something else going on? I can understand that the extra plugins running on this preset can cause cpu issues. Raising the buffer seems to solve the issue. Although it increases latency. If there is something else I can do to get a lower sample rate to work without issue with a lower buffer. I’d love to try it if it improves latency. As you can see from my explanation. 9600 seems to give me the best results. I have no idea why
Drum sound module: TD-27
Snare: PD-140DS
Tom1: PDA100-MS
Tom2: PDA120-MS
Tom3: PDA140F-MS
Tom4: PDA140F-MS
Hi-hat: VH-14D
Crash1: CY-14C-T
Crash2: CY-16R-T
Crash3: CY-14C-T
Crash4: CY-16R-T
Ride: CY-18DR
Kick: KD-200MS
Computer: Hp Envy 17t CR-0000
32GB Ram
1TB Internal SSD, 2TB External SSD
Windows 11 Pro
Audio Interface: Apollo Solo Thunderbolt 3
VST: Superior Drummer 3
SDX:Area 33, Death and Darkness, Fields of Rock, Legacy of Rock, Orchestral, Rooms of Hansa
Let me get this straight – you can play the raw kits in Area 33 just fine right? It’s only when you use a preset that you have problems? If so that’s what’s leading me to suspect the effects used in the presets. Another thing is you said is you had this same problem with 2 identical machines right? As I said that cpu speed is quite a bit on the low side. I would not use a machine with anything less than 3 GHz raw speed cpu and not rely on turbo boost.
How do you get the latency numbers you cite? Measured or calculation? When you divide buffer size (there’s no such thing as buffer rate) by the sample right using a buffer size of 256 and 96KHz sample rate you get a 2.66 ms latency. And 256 buffer with a 44.1 KHz sample rate you get 5.8 ms. I would take a look at this page and ask yourself ‘can I really hear the difference in latency values’. https://gigperformer.com/audio-latency-buffer-size-and-sample-rate-explained/
PS: There’s something weird going on with this forum/thread. I got an email notice of your reply last night (Tuesday). Logged in and couldn’t see your response. It wasn’t until just an hour ago as I type this on Wednesday morning that I saw your response.
Jack
aka musicman691 on other forums
Superior Drummer 3.4.0
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram
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