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Ok ladies and gentlemen… what is this ringing flangerish spice in high register notes? I just did a side by side comparison will all other pianos I have and it’s definatelly EZKeys 2 (Session Grand Basic, Ballad 1, Ballad 2 etc.). It almost sounds like a very quiet electric piano overlay. It’s really annoying :/
That whas what I posted in one of the FB groups. I’ve got this answer:
“I never liked the sounds of the original ez keys, either. I always composed in ez keys then moved the midi to something like Keyscape. Probably do the same with ezkeys2”
To which I answered:
I have the original EZKeys grand piano too – sounds thin and airless. I was doing what you said, using eg Addictive Keys – already 100 times better. But I had high hopes while awaiting EZKeys 2 and now I’m a bit disappointed. The sound is very wide, warm, really fills the panorama nice, so that part is great. Can tell many good mics were used. But they did something to samples possibly when removing noise or final tuning and they don’t resonate well creating this unpleasant flanger-style reaction. I played more now and individual notes played solo are not bad but it happens when they harmonise with each other. All FX off of course, as dry as it can be. I say it’s a catastrophe.
What do you say guys? Can this be fixed other than re-recording whole library again?
Just wanted to add, it’s well pronounced between C4 and C6.
Sounds like you have a very discriminating ear. It is both a blessing and a curse. I have not yet focused on the sound and it is likely my ear will be less sensitive. But that is part of the reason we all have so many piano VSTi’s . I will follow this tread and get back to you on this topic after a bit.
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Thanked by: MarcinSounds aok to me. Checked against other piano modules/VSTi’s as well.
Instead of hyperbole, how about some recording examples and/or spectral analysis to back up your claims?
Sure. Do you have a bucket of time to lend? In the meantime – unsure what’s your gear you’re listening on, but I tried on three different pairs of headphones, including HD600, and my monitors as well. I loaded best VSTi pianos I have, which are oldish but still goldish, used the same short MIDI that I recorded for this test, just few notes really, and I tell you something – if you can’t hear this flanger building up beetween C4 and C6 then I would go drumming if I was you. Just kidding. Please don’t feel offended. We have too many offended people nowadays.
>>Sure. Do you have a bucket of time to lend?
Got enough time to post multiple hyperbolic opinionated “catastrophe” sound impressions, but not enough time to back it up with actual science. Got it.
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Thanked by: lp958Nice try, but I don’t actually feel offended at all by the sound of this piano. I feel different, namely disappointed. I think it was very easy to eliminate these unpleasant resonances and I’m 100% sure that Toontrack is more than aware of them.
EDIT: if you keep editing your answers because you feel like being a d…k doesn’t help anyone, then that’s fine. It just that my answers don’t make much sense If they address the deleted… Anyhow, have a good day and come back please if you have something valuable to say.
Sure thing. Hyeberbolic subjective opinion on the internet is always the best evidence to present in an argument, right?
ps: that was a editing mistake Mr Genius. Some of us are not perfect, unlike you!
To be honest, I’ve noticed that as well. But to me it sounds more like a high pitched hum if that’s what you’re talking about. I’ve experienced it with the first EZ keys and yes it’s annoying and off putting but after blending with other instruments it’s not as noticeable if not virtually unnoticeable although haven’t messed with EZ Keys 2 enough to really notice if it does that same thing.
Don’t really have an answer for a fix other than simply using EZ Keys 2 as a midi/chord generator and then throwing that midi onto another VST Instrument as you’ve already did.
Let me know if you’ve figured it out because when I tried to EQ it out (in Ez Keys 1) it’s really apparent around that 1000 Khz range but even bringing that down doesn’t seem to get rid of it.
So far the piano sounds great to me for EZ keys 2 but I’ve only spent about an hour with it. So still best bet is to either hope someone comes with a reply for a “fix” or you’re just going to have to treat it as a midi/chord generator and not use it as a main instrument.
Which was fine with me because that’s actually what I use EZ Keys 1 and 2 for in the first place.
Good luck!
EDIT: But yes it seems to happen with chords rather than singular notes. Also, if when you were talking about it being easy to get rid of those resonances. I’d be more than happy to hear how you did it because I couldn’t figure it out. I’m still pretty amateur at this whole thing honestly.
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Thanked by: Marcin“Editing mistake” – good one mate. I almost laughed. I would indeed if I didn’t see your first version of your comment.
But anyhow, I came here thinking “the bug” is obvious enough and everyone with even average headphones can replicate it and confirm as well. That’s what I count on. I’m at work already (AWST time) and will be able to do more when I get back to my home studio. I hope that explains why I can’t present any samples yet for the lazy ones or for the ones at work or for those who don’t own EZKeys 2.
BTW I would still encourage people to buy it just for the features if they need them, but definatelly not for the sound of the piano with defects.
>>Let me know if you’ve figured it out because when I tried to EQ it out (in Ez Keys 1) it’s really apparent around that 1000 Khz range but even bringing that down doesn’t seem to get rid of it.
Need more actual evidence of this being replicable vs subjective opinion. Given you’ve noticed it in EZKeys1 (I haven’t, and it doesn’t bother me) this is either an intentional “feature” of TT sound design or even possibly a more localised phenomena related to individuals hearing. Unless you can isolate where it sits in the spectrum and point it out with some actual recordings backup up by spectral analysis that can be verified it remains as a subjective listening artifact.
>>So still best bet is to either hope someone comes with a reply for a “fix”
Not really. See point 1.
I’m open to being convinced, just show me actual scientific evidence, not opinion.
But anyhow, I came here thinking “the bug” is obvious enough and everyone with even average headphones can replicate it and confirm as well.
Provide some real evidence, not opinion. Contrast with sound and spectral samples that you say don’t demonstrate the issue.
I know you have a high opinion of yourself that “it’s obvious, trust me” should be enough, but reality is you’re just another internet rando till proven otherwise with actual evidence.
Maybe you just don’t like TT sound design. Nothing wrong with that, that’s exactly why we have so many different VSTi’s of every instrument.
Some people like multiple ones, others only one and hate the rest. So it goes. It’s ok. Breathe. Move on.
>>Let me know if you’ve figured it out because when I tried to EQ it out (in Ez Keys 1) it’s really apparent around that 1000 Khz range but even bringing that down doesn’t seem to get rid of it.
Need more actual evidence of this being replicable vs subjective opinion. Given you’ve noticed it in EZKeys1 (I haven’t, and it doesn’t bother me) this is either an intentional “feature” of TT sound design or even possibly a more localised phenomena related to individuals hearing. Unless you can isolate where it sits in the spectrum and point it out with some actual recordings backup up by spectral analysis that can be verified it remains as a subjective listening artifact.
>>So still best bet is to either hope someone comes with a reply for a “fix”
Not really. See point 1.
I’m open to being convinced, just show me actual scientific evidence, not opinion.
- This post was modified 2 years, 1 month ago by sonicviz.
Sir and or Ma’am. I am not looking for an argument here nor trying to put Toontrack software on blast, I enjoy the software. I was simply expressing that I had a similar experience to what OP was talking about and it’s all very inconsequential to me since I use it as a midi/chord generator. Still would be nice to get an answer other than “prove it” when apparently you can’t even hear it.
So if there’s a minority of people experiencing the same thing and you’re not experiencing it that’s great for you. Although I don’t know why you seem to be getting so defensive about it.
All the best though and I have no negative feelings about the conversation
“I’m open to being convinced, just show me actual scientific evidence, not opinion.”
Oh you think we’re scientists here. Wrong webpage mate. Go away because you’re really not helping and your inability to see it is worse than your approach of the problem I came here with.
To nawai: Thanks mate. Your subjective opinion I welcome and I’m glad to see first person (beside me) confirming this.
>> I am not looking for an argument here nor trying to put Toontrack software on blast,
If you say it’s an issue with EZKEY1 it’s likely their sound design style.
>>Although I don’t know why you seem to be getting so defensive about it.
Not defensive. I’m saying back up your subjective hyperbole with real evidence. Should be simple enough.
Oh you think we’re scientists here. Wrong webpage mate. Go away because you’re really not helping and your inability to see it is worse than your approach of the problem I came here with.
You’re the one making out your ears are special. All good musicans are sound engineers, and know their tools in addition to their ears.
All I’m asking is for some simple objective sound engineering evidence to back up your hyperbole.
You’ve pretty much admitted multiple times you seem to hate TT sound design anyway, so maybe that’s really what the issue is?
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