Topic: Articulations for stacked drums???

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Replied May 1, 2023 at 13:07 #3090368

drumjack52
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Count me in on this one as well.

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Replied May 1, 2023 at 23:01 #3090579
Ken
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I don’t know what the difference between copy and move to stack means, but I know the copy works.

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Replied May 2, 2023 at 08:31 #3090718

John
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Hi,

I am not sure exactly what the question is here? Could you please elaborate?
When you create a Stack (Add to…) , you do that to an articulation, which then appears to the left in the interface as shown in your screen shot above.
This stacked articulation can be manipulated separately from the main articulation or together with it by selecting the ‘Stack’ graphic above them.

If you have Stacked a sample on the Edge articulation but decide it was better on the Rimshot, you ‘Move’ to the Rimshot articulation. If you feel this also would sound nice on the Sidestick articulation, you ‘Copy’ the Stack to the Sidestick.

BR,
John

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Replied May 2, 2023 at 21:21 #3090991

patrick maguire
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Yes, its been discussed here several times. It would be great to be able to “stack” all the articulations within the one plug in instance on an instrument.

My work around is to make a duplicate instance of SD3 on a new track and copy the midi for that one instrument. It works perfectly but it also introduces many challenges when you alter the original patterns. Mixing the two together may also bring up some phasing issues if you’re not diligent with the routing and other latency creating moves, but it works great if you have the patience.

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Replied May 2, 2023 at 22:27 #3091027

John
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patrick maguire wrote:

It would be great to be able to “stack” all the articulations within the one plug in instance on an instrument.

…and why aren’t you able to do that now? Not trying to be smart, I just do not understand what the problem is.

BR,
John

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Replied May 3, 2023 at 20:04 #3091399

Ken
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John your comment above I think points out the fact that there is so much information spread across this forum in multiple posts.
We all cannot read every post that is ever published and if we did, we would never have time to do drumming, music, meals, bathroom breaks etc..

It may have been discussed several times here however I don’t think that superior drummer provides any kind of interface that will scan your messages and pull up the ones that answer a question automatically.
Personally it would be very helpful in my opinion, to have a little question box that you could type your question into and do a global search. I think that from a customer point of view that would be an excellent service to provide. It would probably eliminate the duplication of a lot of stuff because you can now search and find all the topics relating to your question.

I am still trying to figure out what the difference between copy to stack and move to stack is? I am hesitant in doing some of these new things in fear of screwing up my current configuration and having to start from scratch. Been there and have done that a couple of times, not fun.

Cheers
Ken

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Replied May 3, 2023 at 20:13 #3091404

Brad
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Ken wrote:

John your comment above I think points out the fact that there is so much information spread across this forum in multiple posts.
We all cannot read every post that is ever published and if we did, we would never have time to do drumming, music, meals, bathroom breaks etc..

It may have been discussed several times here however I don’t think that superior drummer provides any kind of interface that will scan your messages and pull up the ones that answer a question automatically.
Personally it would be very helpful in my opinion, to have a little question box that you could type your question into and do a global search. I think that from a customer point of view that would be an excellent service to provide. It would probably eliminate the duplication of a lot of stuff because you can now search and find all the topics relating to your question.

I am still trying to figure out what the difference between copy to stack and move to stack is? I am hesitant in doing some of these new things in fear of screwing up my current configuration and having to start from scratch. Been there and have done that a couple of times, not fun.

Cheers
Ken

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This post was modified 2 years, 1 month ago by Ken.

When I search “stack all articulations” the following link was at the top of the list;

https://www.toontrack.com/forums/topic/is-it-possible-to-create-a-track-stack-that-will-play-all-articulations/

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Replied May 3, 2023 at 23:04 #3091473

John
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Ken wrote:

John your comment above I think points out the fact that there is so much information spread across this forum in multiple posts. We all cannot read every post that is ever published and if we did, we would never have time to do drumming, music, meals, bathroom breaks etc.. It may have been discussed several times here however I don’t think that superior drummer provides any kind of interface that will scan your messages and pull up the ones that answer a question automatically. Personally it would be very helpful in my opinion, to have a little question box that you could type your question into and do a global search. I think that from a customer point of view that would be an excellent service to provide.

OK, there’s always room for improvement but please tell what are you missing in the global Site Search at the top of the Toontrack site interface?
You can Search the entire site and filter on Products, Forum posts, FAQ and News & Inspiration.

I am still trying to figure out what the difference between copy to stack and move to stack is? I am hesitant in doing some of these new things in fear of screwing up my current configuration and having to start from scratch. Been there and have done that a couple of times, not fun.

OK, I tried to explain the difference between ‘Move’ and ‘Copy’ 5 posts above this, did you miss that or was I not clear enough? Do you need me to elaborate more?

BR,
John

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Replied May 3, 2023 at 23:33 #3091478

Ken
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The global search is nice I agree however it’s not at the top of this forum. Honestly I forgot that it was even there because I don’t frequent that page. I just feel that it would be much handier to have it at the top of each forum home page. This way you can see all the topics that are started for a particular forum and do a search from the search box. Now weather the scope of the search is narrowed to the forum or not is important to me as I don’t want to know about ezkeys etc. I have a link on my toolbar that takes me directly to the homepage of this forum. A search box at the top of that page would be extremely useful to me.

As to the original question, I perfectly understand move, the copy part is simply a wording thing for me. “Add” makes more sense in my brain.

Thank you very much for your help

It is greatly appreciated trust me.

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Cheers Ken
SD 3.3.6 on Windows 10 | Cubase 11
And not on my new Apple Air Laptop (15.2)
expansions : N.Y.Avitar | Latin percussion
Yamaha multi 12 | DTX 450k | Trigger IO (x2)
Super stupid fast computer with i9 and 18 gearbox
5. Audio interfaces.

This post was modified 2 years, 1 month ago by Ken.

Replied May 5, 2023 at 02:10 #3091866

patrick maguire
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unless this is a new feature, it only stacks the one targeted articulation. Has this changed?

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Replied May 5, 2023 at 09:13 #3091950

John
Moderator

Hi Patrick,

I am not sure exactly what you are referring to? If you drag and drop a sample to an Instrument, you get a question if you wish to Stack, Replace or Add as a new Instrument. If you Stack the sample to e.g. the ‘Center’ articulation, you get a new Stack visible with both the Center articulations. If like this added sample and want it in more positions, you right-click the added Stack, you can copy this Stack to e..g. the ‘Edge’, ‘Off Center’ or ‘Rimshot’ positions.
If you like it but decide it would be better on the ‘Edge’ than the ‘Center’, you can right-click and Move to another articulation.

If you right-click e.g. the Snare and go to ‘Search for Instrument…’ you can click the ‘More’ drop-down and ‘Stack without closing’ if you wish to add more than one sounds from the Toontrack library to the currently selected articulation.

If you right-click e.g. the Snare and go to ‘More > Stack’ you have several options where you can Add to a specific articulation, Replace a specific Stacked articulation, Remove a Stacked articulation or Remove All Stacks.

I hope this clarifies.

BR,
John

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Replied May 6, 2023 at 04:36 #3092405

patrick maguire
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confused here. AS far as I know….

When I stack an instrument it only adds to the one articulation.

for example in this pic. You have to select where the new sample is going to.

The more elegant option would be that the new sample ( and all of its sub articulations) would be assigned to the same articulations and the correct midi notes.

I thought this has been discussed here many times.

Of course you could take several minutes and assign each one independently , but that is ridiculously tedious.

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Replied May 6, 2023 at 05:09 #3092419

patrick maguire
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The “missing feature” as i am trying to explain would come in to play when you are adding an instrument to a stack. Like using two kicks “stacked” to have two separate kik sample sets to one instance of a MIDI trigger.

This is a well known feature request. SD3 simply does not allow this to happen.

It would be nice as well to be able to “duplicate” an instrument and all its articulations and all the mixer channels the close mic and bleed is going to within the interface quickly. That way you could have two almost identical instances of a snare that you could manipulate a tiny bit to create an alternative hit choice in all the articulations. As it is offered now, there are not enough variations to mimic actual real drummer sounds. I achieve this with multiple instances of SD3 , but that is very complex and advanced. Too much work for most sessions.

This is all very detailed and advanced usage of SD3 in sessions where one is trying to make it sound like a real drummer. Most people don’t seem to notice or need this type of realism. when it is implemented well , it makes all the difference.

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Replied May 6, 2023 at 20:41 #3092653

patrick maguire
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The OP was asking about being able to add an instrument to a “stack” but that is not what SD3 calls stacking. For example “stacking” a new snare on top of existing snare… but we know this only adds on articulation at a time. Bummer.

The issue is not how the “stack” feature is supposed to work. It is that people sometimes want a “stack like” feature to add a whole set of samples to an instrument. That would be a most useful feature. The word stack implies you’re” stacking” a bunch of stuff on top of something. But you’re only actually adding one sample to ONE SPECIFIC articulation sample.

Im not sure when this would be preferred over adding all the samples to the existing instrument so that when you played various articulations the results would be a “stacked” sound of whatever way the instrument was triggered within each articulation.

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Replied May 7, 2023 at 17:47 #3092949

John
Moderator

Ok,

I see now that you mean that you want to “double-up” an instrument with all its available articulations. It could very well be on the Feature Request list.
It would present some challenges in the implementation for e.g. Snares and Rides from other libraries than the currently active.
Many times the type and amount of articulations differs between libraries so any kind automatic mapping would be hard to fail-proof. As it is with the Microphone Assignment, which can confuse users from time to time. If I would need an instrument with many/all articulations stacked or rather doubled and also have the microphones routed separately, I would rather insert another instance in my session and only load that instrument and send the same MIDI to both, either from the DAW or MIDI Out from the main SD3 instance.

But that’s me, most of the times during the years I have worked with stacking, I have only used 1-2 and very rarely 3 stacked articulations on an instrument in projects and sessions.

BR,
John

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