I broke the record function in SD3

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  • drumjack52
    Participant

    What daw are you using? Why did you create a macro (and where is that macro)? Are you recording anything inside SD3?

    If you’re doing everything in your daw you should be able to record arm both tracks and then hit the record button in your daw. 3 clicks and done if all you’re recording is the guitar and drums.

    If I were you I’d lose the macro.


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    Jack
    aka musicman691 on other forums
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    Ken Spence
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    Hi Jack
    That’s the problem, yes, I realize I can record the midi inside of Cubase, but when you arm the audio track for the vocals, etc. and arm the VST “midi” track, inside of CB11, the SD3”Rec does not arm.” never has.  You always had to open the VST; record arm superior drummer, then go back to Cubase and record your session.

    Using macros from SD3, in Cubase you can adjust those parameters of SD3. Using a midi track.

    Eg. by assigning “top” “bottom” and “comp” from the main snare and the xSnare to 1 macro, and inverting the volume parameters on “xSnare” you basically have made a balance control between the volumes of both snares. I also have two more macros that control the amount of reverb of each snare individually.

    So naturally, I figured I could arm the record function in SD3.
    And I broke it.


    Superior Drummer 3 version: 3.3.6
    Operating system: Windows 10

    Cheers Ken
    SD 3.3.6 on Windows 10 | Cubase 11
    And a new Apple air laptop OS 15.5

    drumjack52
    Participant

    Hi Jack
    That’s the problem, yes, I realize I can record the midi inside of Cubase, but when you arm the audio track for the vocals, etc. and arm the VST “midi” track, inside of CB11, the SD3”Rec does not arm.” never has.  You always had to open the VST; record arm superior drummer, then go back to Cubase and record your session.

    Using macros from SD3, in Cubase you can adjust those parameters of SD3. Using a midi track.

    Eg. by assigning “top” “bottom” and “comp” from the main snare and the xSnare to 1 macro, and inverting the volume parameters on “xSnare” you basically have made a balance control between the volumes of both snares. I also have two more macros that control the amount of reverb of each snare individually.

    So naturally, I figured I could arm the record function in SD3.
    And I broke it.

    Superior Drummer 3 version: 3.3.6
    Operating system: Windows 10

    If you have a MIDI track in Cubase there’s no need to record anything in SD3. Cubase will hold the MIDI you play on your ekit. Just set the MIDI track in Cubase to trigger SD3 and be done with it. It’s that simple. Lose that macro as you don’t need it. THat’s the way I work in Pro Tools. I let PT handle the MIDI recording.


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    Jack
    aka musicman691 on other forums
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    Death and Darkness 1.0.1
    PT 2021.6
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    Ken Spence
    Participant

    Hi Jack

    I AGREE and that’s the plan always has been since SD2…. Personally I’m not fond of the grid editor in SD3.

    The end game for me is to buy a 3rd hardware box to control the midi macros.   This way I can sit within a session, fine tune the sound with the macros and then record all the streams (data & audio) in the DAW. There are 16 stereo output channels in SD3. Witch can all be Captured on the fly.

    I am running Cubase on my Studio Capture 1610(#2) and SD3 on Focusright 18i20.

    OK it has gotten weird.

    Sit and wait 10 minutes …. No work. “R” or mouse….with the track window minimized. Expand the track window and it begins to work no problem!  ^&%%$$$)(**&^&^&^%^&%$#@#@$$##$$$%%???>>


    Superior Drummer 3 version: 3.3.6
    Operating system: Windows 10

    Cheers Ken
    SD 3.3.6 on Windows 10 | Cubase 11
    And a new Apple air laptop OS 15.5

    • This post was modified 2 years, 3 months ago by Ken Spence.
      Reason: Added insights
    Ken Spence
    Participant

    OK I got it to repeat consistently. (With or without data in tracker).

    1. Pull the tracker window down (min) it will arm 1 time only.
    2. Pull the tracker window up even just one slot and problem gone.

    Still have to test it inside my DAW.


    Superior Drummer 3 version: 3.3.6
    Operating system: Windows 10

    Cheers Ken
    SD 3.3.6 on Windows 10 | Cubase 11
    And a new Apple air laptop OS 15.5

    Ken Spence
    Participant

    I still do not know if I broke it by assigning the macro to the record function, or if it is a flaw in the software.


    Superior Drummer 3 version: 3.3.6
    Operating system: Windows 10

    Cheers Ken
    SD 3.3.6 on Windows 10 | Cubase 11
    And a new Apple air laptop OS 15.5

    • This post was modified 2 years, 3 months ago by Ken Spence.
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    drumjack52
    Participant

    Hi Jack

    I AGREE and that’s the plan always has been since SD2…. Personally I’m not fond of the grid editor in SD3.

    The end game for me is to buy a 3rd hardware box to control the midi macros.   This way I can sit within a session, fine tune the sound with the macros and then record all the streams (data & audio) in the DAW. There are 16 stereo output channels in SD3. Witch can all be Captured on the fly.

    I am running Cubase on my Studio Capture 1610(#2) and SD3 on Focusright 18i20.

    OK it has gotten weird.

    Sit and wait 10 minutes …. No work. “R” or mouse….with the track window minimized. Expand the track window and it begins to work no problem!  ^&%%$$$)(**&^&^&^%^&%$#@#@$$##$$$%%???>>

    Superior Drummer 3 version: 3.3.6
    Operating system: Windows 10

    • This post was modified 2 years, 3 months ago by Ken Spence.
      Reason: Added insights

    As I said before – lose the macros as they’re causing nothing but problems. Just do everything inside Cubase without macros. Sometimes trying to make things more ‘convenient’ leads to complications. It’s the old KISS principle.


    Superior Drummer 3 version: 3.3.6
    Operating system: macOS High Sierra (10.13)

    Jack
    aka musicman691 on other forums
    Superior Drummer 3.4.0
    Area 33 1.0.0
    Death and Darkness 1.0.1
    PT 2021.6
    OSX 10.13.6
    3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram

    Ken Spence
    Participant

    In away I have a problem with that

    If you look in some of the preset drum kits you will find macros set up to do things.

    One macro set up on a snare

    1. at it”s minimum, was a nice clean snare, modifies 2 points in EQ, turns compression off
    2. at it’s maximum, loud dirty snare, it modifies the EQ and turns compression on and modifies several parameters as you increase the knob.

    So no I disagree with your solution.

    Each macro can be assigned to a constant controller number(CC#) and then controlled by a hardware device

    Hard to find, mine arrives tomorrow 139$

     


    Superior Drummer 3 version: 3.3.6
    Operating system: Windows 10

    Cheers Ken
    SD 3.3.6 on Windows 10 | Cubase 11
    And a new Apple air laptop OS 15.5

    Bear-Faced Cow
    Participant

    Jack does have a point. Yes, using the macros to control kit, pieces, mixer, channels, and effects, and binding them to MIDI CC is a proper and more intended way to use macros. I use them all the time for automating my mixes.

    However, you were trying to bind a macro to transport functionality, which is really best handled by a MIDI controller itself. Looking at what you were doing has me thinking “why?“

    jord


    Jordan L. Chilcott

    Web Site: https://jordanchilcottmusic.com/

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    Thanked by: drumjack52
    Ken Spence
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    Hay Jord

    I was looking for away to synchronize Cubase record with SD3 record. Arming
    To capture midi in both apps, you have to open the vst, arm the record go back to CuBase and arm the vst track. etc.

    I Have 5 screens on my computer system and I am running out of space.
    Left is for ctrl pnl of interface & misc : Main screen is for CB: right is for metering : Top is for Mix console and or SD3.
    Far right is for videos while practicing and is too far from the main workstation.
    I have blue-tooth mice keyboards near the drums. (this is because I practice with videos from the web.)

    Because cubase takes over your keyboard no matter what shortcuts you have…you cannot use the keyboard shortcuts in SD3 until the vst window has focus.
    So.. the desired work-flow is to arm necessary tracks with the mouse and press a button to arm SD3 without having to open or switch to the vst window.

    That is why i was playing with the macros and record button.


    Superior Drummer 3 version: 3.3.6
    Operating system: Windows 10

    Cheers Ken
    SD 3.3.6 on Windows 10 | Cubase 11
    And a new Apple air laptop OS 15.5

    Bear-Faced Cow
    Participant

    As Jack already stated bring everything into your DAW. Multichannel recording is rather intuitive there.

    Running out of space on five displays sounds more like an organization issue, to be honest.

    Jord


    Jordan L. Chilcott

    Web Site: https://jordanchilcottmusic.com/

    drumjack52
    Participant

    Hay Jord

    I was looking for away to synchronize Cubase record with SD3 record. Arming
    To capture midi in both apps, you have to open the vst, arm the record go back to CuBase and arm the vst track. etc.

    I Have 5 screens on my computer system and I am running out of space.
    Left is for ctrl pnl of interface & misc : Main screen is for CB: right is for metering : Top is for Mix console and or SD3.
    Far right is for videos while practicing and is too far from the main workstation.
    I have blue-tooth mice keyboards near the drums. (this is because I practice with videos from the web.)

    Because cubase takes over your keyboard no matter what shortcuts you have…you cannot use the keyboard shortcuts in SD3 until the vst window has focus.
    So.. the desired work-flow is to arm necessary tracks with the mouse and press a button to arm SD3 without having to open or switch to the vst window.

    That is why i was playing with the macros and record button.

    Superior Drummer 3 version: 3.3.6
    Operating system: Windows 10

    There’s no need to arm SD3 for recording when doing recording in your daw. It’s that simple. You really need to heed what Jord has been saying. No need for 5 screens either. No need to see the control panel for your interface. You may want to investigate Mission Control and desktop Spaces in OSX. YOu have a fondness for over-complicating things.


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    Jack
    aka musicman691 on other forums
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    Death and Darkness 1.0.1
    PT 2021.6
    OSX 10.13.6
    3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram

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    Ken Spence
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    Hi Jack

    Yes, I am a complicated person. I am lazy and I feel that the use of macros to balance my kit on the fly is a luxury that I would like to have.
    Now, can someone help me verify that I blew it up. Please

    With the tracker minimized I use the mouse to toggle record on and off, and it only will do it one time.

    When I expand the tracker to see what I have recorded or drug into there, the record function works perfectly every time by mouse or keyboard.

    What I am trying to do is have one of you kind folks help me to verify that I broke the software, or is it an issue with SD3. I really do not want to have to download the software again uninstall and then reinstall.

    I have never been down that road before. So I do not know if I will lose all my customization of my kits, all of my presets, etc. etc. etc.

    Frankly it scares the crap out of me to think I have to start at zero.

    Kind regards and thank you.

    Cheers, Ken.

    Cheers Ken
    SD 3.3.6 on Windows 10 | Cubase 11
    And a new Apple air laptop OS 15.5

    drumjack52
    Participant

    Hi Jack

    Yes, I am a complicated person. I am lazy and I feel that the use of macros to balance my kit on the fly is a luxury that I would like to have.
    Now, can someone help me verify that I blew it up. Please

    With the tracker minimized I use the mouse to toggle record on and off, and it only will do it one time.

    When I expand the tracker to see what I have recorded or drug into there, the record function works perfectly every time by mouse or keyboard.

    What I am trying to do is have one of you kind folks help me to verify that I broke the software, or is it an issue with SD3. I really do not want to have to download the software again uninstall and then reinstall.

    I have never been down that road before. So I do not know if I will lose all my customization of my kits, all of my presets, etc. etc. etc.

    Frankly it scares the crap out of me to think I have to start at zero.

    Kind regards and thank you.

    Cheers, Ken.

    The issue has really nothing to do with SD3 when you operate it as people should. You didn’t break the software. To quote Scotty in one of the Star Trek movies: ‘the more they overtake the plumbing the easier it is to stop up the drain’. He was referring to the automation installed on the Excelsior. Again: lose the macro and do all your recording in your daw. There’s no need to actuate recording in SD3. Do all your automation in your daw. You’re trying to make the s/w do things it was never meant to do.

    This is one of those cases where being lazy (your words not mine) is getting you into trouble.


    Superior Drummer 3 version: 3.3.6
    Operating system: macOS High Sierra (10.13)

    Jack
    aka musicman691 on other forums
    Superior Drummer 3.4.0
    Area 33 1.0.0
    Death and Darkness 1.0.1
    PT 2021.6
    OSX 10.13.6
    3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram

    Ken Spence
    Participant

    Hi Jack

    Yes, I’m very familiar with Scotty, nice to meet another trecky.

    I will say very loudly again

    I do not record in SD3. Never have. I have always recorded everything in Cubase. that’s what it was designed for and my first version was v 5.2

    I use macros to adjust the volumes of the kit pieces. Without having to open the mixer.

    Eg.

    1. Snare reverb.
    2. Main snare volume
    3. Main snare stack balance, by putting all the stacked instruments in one macro, you can invert, and/or turn off each entry. You can also limit the volume minimum and maximum, and you can even do non-linear adjustments.

    I run 32 bus channels, and my instruments, all point to those channels.
    I do my reverb my compression, and all my effects on those bus channels and route them to the output channels be it 1 or 32 stereo outputs. And I control those channels with macros.

    My Korg nanoKontrol2 does this very nicely as it transmits cc#

    As far as the record function issue is concerned it would seem that no one wants to verify what I am seeing, so I cannot determine whether I blew it up or if it is a bug in the software. I just thought that it might be something that superior drummer would like to know about, but no one wants to help so…… it’s a dead issue.

    Now my workflow =

    1. Record the vocals, guitars, Morocco’s, etc.
    2. run it through a couple of times, tweaking faders and controls of compressors and fun stuff like that.
    3. Mix down to a stereo track
    4. Use tempo detection to set the tempos within the song from the stereo track.
    5. Make a metronome audio track. I usually do a split at bar one position so that it basically gives you a count in.
    6. Record my drum midi.
    7. Reverse the audio in SD3. (Audience versus drum throne position.)
    8. Tweak my drum sounds using the macro buttons in SD3 and my hardware controller.
    9. Print the final mix in real time.

    My audio interface has a return channel so I print my mix in real-time by recording the return signal.

    I am 70+ and still willing to learn new things like macros.

    In CuBase, you can write macros and assign each one to a keystroke. My corsair K 90 keyboard has three banks of 18 buttons that can each have a macro. So I might write three macros in Cubase “say a1, a2 & a3” and one macro on my K 90 keyboard to execute those 3 macros. This boils right back to the good old KISS scenario.

    Let’s see, pushing one button on my keyboard, which triggers a whole bunch of work done in the DAW. Hmmmm

    Do you think maybe executing one macro with one button is less efficient then using your mouse to set 55 different parameters 150 times a day. In my mind taking .375 seconds to push one button is a little bit more efficient than mousing around for 15 minutes doing the same number of tasks.

    Your comment about “you’re trying to make the software do things it was never meant to do”(your words), is quite wrong, as superior drummer themselves use macros on some of their kits.

    Check it out, where do you think I got the idea from? I did not even know it was capable of macros until one day I looked down in the lower right hand corner to adjust the main volume output, and found the button to expand the macros bar.

    Thank you all for the conversation about this problem and your patience in reading my BS.

    The final thing is, I still do not know if I broke the software or not.

    I now have to go outside and throw salt down on the driveway and sidewalks so that I do not fall down and break my damn hip.

     

    Cheers
    KS

    Hmmmm I’m missing “i”&”s”

    KISS KISS love love bye.

     

     

    Cheers

    Ken


    Superior Drummer 3 version: 3.3.6
    Operating system: Windows 10

    Cheers Ken
    SD 3.3.6 on Windows 10 | Cubase 11
    And a new Apple air laptop OS 15.5

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