Anthony FieldsNeed a better way to map sounds for finger drummers. Finger drummers need instruments mapped from C1 or C3 in a 4×4 pad layout with sounds that can be dragged to drum sets. Having to map midi to sounds is a PITA even with midi learn. Most drum modules come loaded with the 4×4 matrix and all you have to do is drag sound to the pads. Even Reason Studios half baked live drum setup has a 4×4 pad layout. C’mon Toontrack!
KenCan you please explain with a little more detail what you mean by 4 x 4?
Also a second picture zoomed in showing the circled area in the middle of your first picture would be nice.
You can show either note number or musical scale in the instrument’s window.
Drag & drop would be nice.
Cheers K
Cheers Ken
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Mark KingIt’s not that hard to map drums. Even the edrum settings only cater for a basic setup. Any more and we do it ourselves. In general drums are not played with fingers but with sticks (I am being sarcastic)
SD3 with older sdx,s plus Rooms of Hansa and Death & Darkness. Cubase and wavelab current versions. Roland TD50x using all trigger inputs for triggering SD3 only. Windows 11 computer. Various keyboards and outboard gear as well as VST instruments. Acoustic drums: Yamaha 9000 natural wood and Pearl masters. Various snare drums. RME BabyFace Pro FS and Adam A7X monitors
Anthony Fields4×4 layout is basically the MPC 16 pad configuration that 99% of drum software and hardware use. Trying to map SD3 to Mashine 16 pads is a pain in the azz. If you go through the labor and map it it will change with a new drum kit in Sd3. Having pull up the midi page of all sounds and trying to map midi to sounds is backwards in any other drum software or hardware, as most if not all map sounds to a specified pad layout and users have to do is drag a sounds on a pad. Really simple. I’ll be looking at other drum software to see if they offer a pad layout and won’t upgrade to SD4. Toontrack are missing millions from the Hip Hop community because of this.
Anthony Fields@Mark Try doing it in Mashine with SD3 loaded it’s a total buzz kill when have to map again once you change kits. If you don’t need it cool but us finger drummers need it. If Toontrack only wants Rock or Metal users that fine I’ll just move on.
Mark KingNothing matches the sounds of sd3 for realistic drums but I guess you don’t really need that then. I’m not a metal user. I use it for all sorts of styles. I also have to map for different kits playing from an ekit which is basically just a set of pads like you have. I create different presets and then I’m sorted. I see nothing to have a massive complain about.
SD3 with older sdx,s plus Rooms of Hansa and Death & Darkness. Cubase and wavelab current versions. Roland TD50x using all trigger inputs for triggering SD3 only. Windows 11 computer. Various keyboards and outboard gear as well as VST instruments. Acoustic drums: Yamaha 9000 natural wood and Pearl masters. Various snare drums. RME BabyFace Pro FS and Adam A7X monitors
KenMr. Anthony
I don’t care if you’re playing rock, punk, fusion or hillbilly banjo.
You can buy the Latin percussion pack, that superior drummer offers, and guess what it will have your little drums that you want recorded in an actual studio with real microphones. From there, you can connect any pad that you want in the pictorial to any note number.
If you get off your stubborn Punk, head, mentality, and start listening to what people are telling you in this post, you might actually get somewhere and find that superior drummer is the best.
Or you can crawl back inside your MPC pad and beat your fingers to a pulp. As for your 4×4 thing I am still waiting for you to explain what the hell you are talking about.
Cheers Ken
SD 3.3.6 on Windows 10 | Cubase 11 Pro DAW
expansions : N.Y.Avitar | Latin percussion
Yamaha multi 12 | DTX 450k | Trigger IO (x2)
Super stupid fast computer with i9 and 18 speed double clutch gearbox
5. Audio interfaces.
Bear-Faced CowFinger drummers need instruments mapped from C1 or C3 in a 4×4 pad layout with sounds that can be dragged to drum sets.
No… we don’t. That is an archaic design that was meant for keyboard compatibility 20 years before for the widespread availablility of MIDI pad controllers in order to play samples. This design works for hip-hop sample beat making and playing Melodic sequences within Maschine and Reason without a keyboard. However, it is no way efficient for finger drum playing with SD3 (or any modern drum software).
If you go through the labor and map it it will change with a new drum kit in Sd3.
Not if you save the mapping and have it used by default. I’ve had mappings set up in as little as 10 minutes.
Trying to map SD3 to Mashine 16 pads is a pain in the azz.
You know what they say: if it hurts, then you are doing it wrong. This is no exception considering that every experienced finger drummer that uses Maschine knows that you don’t map SD3 to Maschine, but map the Maschine controller to SD3 since if you are using SD3 in Maschine, you will be switching to MIDI mode anyways.
Having pull up the midi page of all sounds and trying to map midi to sounds is backwards in any other drum software or hardware, as most if not all map sounds to a specified pad layout and users have to do is drag a sounds on a pad.
Sound to me like you’ve haven’t really used drum software of this kind very much.
Toontrack are missing millions from the Hip Hop community because of this.
No, they’re not. Many well known hip-hop artists know how to adapt mapping to modern drum software when they want realistic drum sounds. They also know how to adapt the pads to a more suited playing style as well as, in the case of Maschine, take advantage of pad groups to use various pad arrangements as playing styles will change within a song.
Try doing it in Mashine with SD3 loaded it’s a total buzz kill when have to map again once you change kits.
See above.
If you don’t need it cool but us finger drummers need it.
Again we don’t. We’re well adept at switching between switching between a drum programming layout to a performance-based MIDI layout in a button push of the controller. We’re also able to go way beyond an inefficient linear mapping within Maschine and Reason to make it more robust to our playing. Best to learn how the software works.
Jord
(a long time Finger Drummer)
Anthony FieldsI’m off today so I got time…. Nobody in hip hop is going to go against the MPC/Maschine workflow just get off your “Punk Head” and Youtube Hip Hop beat making in Superior Drummer is all the proof you need. You can count on one hand how many videos on the subject.
Mr. Anthony
I don’t care if you’re playing rock, punk, fusion or hillbilly banjo.You can buy the Latin percussion pack, that superior drummer offers, and guess what it will have your little drums that you want recorded in an actual studio with real microphones. From there, you can connect any pad that you want in the pictorial to any note number.
If you get off your stubborn Punk, head, mentality, and start listening to what people are telling you in this post, you might actually get somewhere and find that superior drummer is the best.
Or you can crawl back inside your MPC pad and beat your fingers to a pulp. As for your 4×4 thing I am still waiting for you to explain what the hell you are talking about.Superior Drummer 3 version: 3.3.6
Anthony FieldsIt’s always a Troll that can’t read on every forum lol. I already said it’s pain in the ass to setup in Maschine but you say it isn’t but don’t even provide how to do it, because you don’t know how.
You don’t do hip hop SD3 is not popular in hip hop circles or forums period I would know and a simple YouTube search would educate you on that no one is using it for drums in hip hop period. Clicking notes in the editor is azz and midi mapping is azz compared to every other drum software. Most DAWs have a MPC like drum module from Impact(studio one) Kong(Reason) FPC(FL Studio) Groove Agent(Cubase) for a reason. Reason Studios understood that there’s hip hop finger drummers so they included the 16 pad layout why can’t Toontrack? You don’t know shyt about hip hop obviously stay in your lane and off my comments! I’m talking to Toontrack to get changes not you! If SD3 works for you cool but just because it fits your workflow doesn’t make it right. I’m 50 and have been making music my whole life, mastered many software you don’t know who you’re talking too or what you’re talking about when it comes to hip hop finger drumming.
Finger drummers need instruments mapped from C1 or C3 in a 4×4 pad layout with sounds that can be dragged to drum sets.
No… we don’t. That is an archaic design that was meant for keyboard compatibility 20 years before for the widespread availablility of MIDI pad controllers in order to play samples. This design works for hip-hop sample beat making and playing Melodic sequences within Maschine and Reason without a keyboard. However, it is no way efficient for finger drum playing with SD3 (or any modern drum software).
If you go through the labor and map it it will change with a new drum kit in Sd3.
Not if you save the mapping and have it used by default. I’ve had mappings set up in as little as 10 minutes.
Trying to map SD3 to Mashine 16 pads is a pain in the azz.
You know what they say: if it hurts, then you are doing it wrong. This is no exception considering that every experienced finger drummer that uses Maschine knows that you don’t map SD3 to Maschine, but map the Maschine controller to SD3 since if you are using SD3 in Maschine, you will be switching to MIDI mode anyways.
Having pull up the midi page of all sounds and trying to map midi to sounds is backwards in any other drum software or hardware, as most if not all map sounds to a specified pad layout and users have to do is drag a sounds on a pad.
Sound to me like you’ve haven’t really used drum software of this kind very much.
Toontrack are missing millions from the Hip Hop community because of this.
No, they’re not. Many well known hip-hop artists know how to adapt mapping to modern drum software when they want realistic drum sounds. They also know how to adapt the pads to a more suited playing style as well as, in the case of Maschine, take advantage of pad groups to use various pad arrangements as playing styles will change within a song.
Try doing it in Mashine with SD3 loaded it’s a total buzz kill when have to map again once you change kits.
See above.
If you don’t need it cool but us finger drummers need it.
Again we don’t. We’re well adept at switching between switching between a drum programming layout to a performance-based MIDI layout in a button push of the controller. We’re also able to go way beyond an inefficient linear mapping within Maschine and Reason to make it more robust to our playing. Best to learn how the software works.
Jord
(a long time Finger Drummer)
KenAs Schultz would say, “I know nothing
If you’re not happy with SD3 then get a refund.
I do not skulk or troll, I get involved when I feel that I can learn something from participating.
However, this particular conversation has taught me SFA.
Have a great day, bye
Cheers Ken
SD 3.3.6 on Windows 10 | Cubase 11 Pro DAW
expansions : N.Y.Avitar | Latin percussion
Yamaha multi 12 | DTX 450k | Trigger IO (x2)
Super stupid fast computer with i9 and 18 speed double clutch gearbox
5. Audio interfaces.
Bear-Faced CowIt’s always a Troll that can’t read on every forum lol.
I love this game. You know, the one where the poster calls everyone else a troll because the facts don’t agree with them, just forcing them to resort to gaslighting tactics that prove that they are the trolls themself.
Let’s start with the confusion of qualifications:
You don’t do hip hop
Are you certain about that? Just because most of the music I put out on my personal site is rock, that doesn’t mean I don’t do any hip-hop. You might just be surprised at how much hip-hop I write, and the purpose I read it for.
SD3 is not popular in hip hop circles or forums period I would know and a simple YouTube search would educate you on that no one is using it for drums in hip hop period.
Absolutely meaningless. Most YouTube videos showcase slicing samples and loops and triggering them on a keypad of a MIDI controller. That’s not finger drumming. Most hip-hop videos don’t show you how to program a synthesizer either. That doesn’t make them unpopular.
I already said it’s pain in the ass to setup in Maschine but you say it isn’t but don’t even provide how to do it, because you don’t know how
And because you said, so, it is the definitive answer, right? Wrong! And considering that I have owned Maschine since the MKII devices were released back in 2012, I have a pretty good idea how everything works. Not to mention I have the ability to back it up it with a series of pad groupings that I use with SD3. And, if you were to educate yourself on some of the courses that are available for Maschine, you would see how relatively easy it is to set up. You would also know the difference between playing samples and playing instruments and how to flip between them in a manner of a button press. You seriously reveal more about yourself in this case than you do about me.
Clicking notes in the editor is azz and midi mapping is azz compared to every other drum software.
To paraphrase you, you said it is but don’t provide anything substantial to back it up because you don’t know how. I’ve made mappings in SD3 to work with various software.
Most DAWs have a MPC like drum module from Impact(studio one) Kong(Reason) FPC(FL Studio) Groove Agent(Cubase) for a reason. Reason Studios understood that there’s hip hop finger drummers so they included the 16 pad layout why can’t Toontrack?
SD3 is an instrument and not a DAW. So, let’s not compare apples to oranges.
But if you want to talk about Reason, we can since I have owned it since 2003, which predates the commercial re-release of the APC after Akai’s assets were acquired by Numark. The 4×4 which you refer to, is actually a linear keyboard mapping that Reason used because of how it managed to chop up REX files which was introduced in 1994, allowing you to play the chopped up samples on the keyboard. There’s weren’t any MIDI pads available at that time. The first MIDI pad controller came out in 2005. Did you happen to own it? I did! The APC followed in 2006 and again, it was chopping samples for playback on the MIDI pads. Kong was introduced in 2009. Same as Maschine.
Then some personal attacks (these are fun):
You don’t know shyt about hip hop obviously stay in your lane and off my comments! I’m talking to Toontrack to get changes not you!
I’ve proven otherwise. And I assure you at this point, I don’t care who you think you’re addressing. I know exactly what I am talking about, especially in this respect. Perhaps, think before you type.
I’m 50 and have been making music my whole life, mastered many software you don’t know who you’re talking too or what you’re talking about when it comes to hip hop finger drumming.
I’ve been making music as long as you’ve been breathing. I’ve not only used software that you will probably have never heard of, but also hardware before the introduction of MIDI. And considering that I have been using a MIDI pad controller since 2005, you pretty much underestimate me as far as hip-hop finger drumming. And if you were the master you claim to be, then you would actually realize how quick and easy it is to map Maschine.
Don’t be the troll you accuse others to be the next time you respond.
jord
Bear-Faced CowOh, and you might want to look up guys like Jeremy Ellis. He’s the definitive hip-hop finger drummer and has remapped Maschine in various ways to suit his playing style. He also has some great course material. That’s just a start…
jord
KenWow, I just remembered something, back in 1980 I had a “4 x 4”, it was a GMC dually with a snowplough on it.
It was great doing donuts in it. You could back it up fast and snap the wheel to the left, or the right, and the weight of the plough would spin you around.
My boss used to pay me under the table to plough the parking lot at work and of course, one day I was screwing around did a backwards doughnut and took out a lamppost. Loved my “4×4”!!!! He was smiling like a mad man “ you’re going to pay for that right”
we both laughed like fools.
Cheers Ken
SD 3.3.6 on Windows 10 | Cubase 11 Pro DAW
expansions : N.Y.Avitar | Latin percussion
Yamaha multi 12 | DTX 450k | Trigger IO (x2)
Super stupid fast computer with i9 and 18 speed double clutch gearbox
5. Audio interfaces.
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