hpharley90Hello. What I’m doing is covering the song Wild Thing. I tap a beat and see what grooves SP3 offers. I picked one then set BPM to 95.
I add or remove notes using grid editor. I like what I came up with but one thing eludes me. When I have a drum verse go into drum chorus I am using and educated guess for my timing. Is there a way for me to construct drum parts but keep everything dead in time through whole song. I cant find away…
Kenhay there
F irst of all you should be running version 3.3.4 as there are some things that are fixed.
The tab “Block” that is next to “Track 1” has a section at the bottom called edit MIDI and that, has a section called grid editor. Or you can just hit “P” on your keyboard and open it that way. At the top of the editor there are settings for “Quantize”, “Swing”, Randomize etc.
Select all the notes (Hits) with Control “A” and then you can use the “Quantize” slider to line up everything to the grid. if you want to just line up the kick and not the rest just hold the control button down and use your mouse and select the instrument that you want to modify.
I’m a sloppy snare guy in that on a real kit, no one is in absolute perfect time. So i like to keep my snare real as i use a digital kit and i tighten up my kick drum. I have issue’s with my legs so Kick drum not so accurate. plus if i manually add notes it is sometimes hard to input accurately.
Cheers Ken
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Thanked by: hpharley90KenExcellent
I trust everything else is working out for you.
BTW
“Wild thing” was the first song i ever performed in a bar on a stage with a live audience. Very early eighties.
Cheers Ken
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hpharley90I’m still not happy with my work flow.
when I’m using a click track we’ll say that I go from verse to chorus then verse to chorus again then to playing lead guitar over verse and chorus . If I was using click track I want to hit it at that point into song right on time. How can I make sure drum hits are right on time with a click track?
This will help me to have correct timing through out a song on future projects.
I want to be able to count and at 30 bars in for example to be on time with what ever part of music it should be.
BradI’m still not happy with my work flow.
when I’m using a click track we’ll say that I go from verse to chorus then verse to chorus again then to playing lead guitar over verse and chorus . If I was using click track I want to hit it at that point into song right on time. How can I make sure drum hits are right on time with a click track?
This will help me to have correct timing through out a song on future projects.
I want to be able to count and at 30 bars in for example to be on time with what ever part of music it should be.
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What are you recording your guitar tracks to? What DAW are you using?
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KenAre you using the “fallow DAW” option?
If you did everything that I instructed you to earlier, then your drum hits should be on your timeline correctly. Now, if your DAW is set for the same beats per minutes, one would think that they would line up. However, when does beat one occur This is the purpose of follow daw. Superior drummer will follow the actual time signature and beats per minute of your doll and the position within this song if you turn this option on.
I am assuming that you are using SD3 in plugin mode.
“Fallow DAW” is not available if you are running SD3 (stand-alone) on one interface and your DAW on another. They cannot digitally sync their time-lines. You must run SD3 as a Plugin to enable “SYNC”
Cheers Ken
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hpharley90I’m using Acoustica Mixcraft 9 pro studio.
Yes I have button on to follow host. And SPD 3 and my DAW are the same BPM.
Let me explain a little clearer if i can.
If I take a mixcraft drum loop and put it on my Mixcraft timeline for 3 minutes at 95 BPM. The metronome will be right in time with drum loop.
I can play along with that loop till end. From verse to chorus all the through and be on time.
But when I’m creating drum notes in grid editor and making drum notes all the way through I have no way to my knowledge to keep all drum notes through song in metronome time.
I’m putting in notes myself. for example. the part with the verse.”wild thing I think I love you ” drum drum drum “but I want to know for sure” drum drum drum “come on and hold me tight” drum drum drum “I think I love you” I’m covering song in same vain as Sam Kinison and Hendrix drumming very similar to Tommy Lee.
So those drum parts have a lot of space between them and I don’t know how to make sure timing will be consistent.
hpharley90yes im using as plugin.
I’m using as a plugin. I make all my changes using SPD3. When drum part is the way I want I will bounce and bring into my DAW and put it on a track and export finished song.
KenHmmm.
If the bounced audio is lined up with existing audio tracks, there should be no issues. At this point it is an audio file and thus not easily changed.
What is your methodology.
Drum track first then the rest recorded to the drum track or;
Vocals, lead, instrument stuff then drum to that playback.
Personally i never track my drums in SD3 as the record function does not follow the record function of my DAW.
The recorded audio can be analyzed in my daw first and the resulting time signature and BPM are loaded to my grid of the DAW. eg: You are using 93bpm no variation. In my project, the BPM will vary 91.3 – 97.4 and average out at 93.
No human-being is a metronome. When i record the drums in the VSTi track i can turn on “snap to grid” while recording and “that” takes care of any in/out digital delay’s etc. It perfectly aligns the recorded midi to the variable tempo track. From there, i could drag that midi track to SD3 and then export to audio (Bounce) and pull it back into the daw. But I don’t. I just Bounce the entire project to a stereo stem and send that out for approvals. If Required.
? Do you have a digital drum kit
Cheers Ken
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KenSometimes i get lost in answering the question
If SD3 is loaded up and SYNC is on; just turn on the metronome in SD3 and it will track any BPM in the DAW regardless of it being fixed or variable. The metronome will track your DAW.
Cheers Ken
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hpharley90my method is. i all ready know song on guitar. I want to get a good Tommy Lee drum track.
so i tap out my beat in song creator. I found what i liked for what it offered me as a basic hi hat snare kick beat at correct BPM to go along with my guitar.
i put a verse on time line and a chorus then another verse. I play my guitar over that while making changes to each verse or chorus (Different colors on timeline) till i get what i like as far as timing. but its all by ear as far as timing. i can stretch or shorten each drum part which changes timing. That is how I’m struggling to have timing correct from beginning to end.
Bradmy method is. i all ready know song on guitar. I want to get a good Tommy Lee drum track.
so i tap out my beat in song creator. I found what i liked for what it offered me as a basic hi hat snare kick beat at correct BPM to go along with my guitar.
i put a verse on time line and a chorus then another verse. I play my guitar over that while making changes to each verse or chorus (Different colors on timeline) till i get what i like as far as timing. but its all by ear as far as timing. i can stretch or shorten each drum part which changes timing. That is how I’m struggling to have timing correct from beginning to end.
The play head in SD3 should be following exactly the tempo and location in your DAW. Where you want to insert changes or program hits in the grid editor will follow as well.
So, I am missing something.
You may need to record a short video.
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hpharley90I have been using plugin while i track in my DAW. I do not put a drum track in my DAW. As I’m typing and opening my DAW to access SPD3 I see beats atop timeline and its in grid editor. I think that is what i’m looking for as far as timing. My biggest problem is going from either verse to chorus or vice versa. From last note of chorus to first on verse. i guess.
KenHay there everyone.
Been playing with my DAW and checking out some stuff about your DAW. Really nice SW, Sooooooooooooooooo
You’re doing it the very hard way.
I do ALL OF MY MIDI DRUM RECORDING in my DAW not SD3,,,,,, Cuz,, To Be Blunt, it is POS grid editor, in my opinionated view.
In my DAW’s grid editor; I can use the stick tool and manually mouse in the data or take MIDI directly from my DIGITAL drum kit. I have a big set with lots of pads and YES it cost me a bundle BUT, i recently added a cheap set that i bought from Amazon for $179 (i wanted the pads only to add to my kit) : gave the leftovers’ to my buddy for his kit. It was an Alisis set with mesh pads.
Once you start swinging sticks at pads and capturing the midi in your DAW you will cut your edit time by 90% and have a blast drumming. I feel that it is impossible to get a groove down with mouse clicking. Buy a cheep kit and drum the midi into the DAW via SD3. You’ll have a blast and be in better time and grove while listening to your recorded audio (vocal,guitar, xylophone,) as you record the drums.
To summarize: you bought a really nice DAW, SD3 and no physical drum kit??
Cheers Ken
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