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Can I merge all the presets I have?

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  • Replied November 27, 2022 at 15:03 #3013445
    John
    Moderator

    Hi,

    this is not possible as Presets are tied to their main library.

    BR,
    John

    John Rammelt - Toontrack
    Technical Advisor

    Replied February 12, 2025 at 02:07 #3370444
    Brian Sheen
    Participant

    I think this merging of all presets should be a must, regardless of which library the preset is tied to. Some how it should be written in the code that the preset knows what library it is. This way all of your presets can be located in one spot and the corresponding library is loaded for each preset. For instance if I save a preset called “Heavy Hitter”, I have to remember first which library I was using, then find the preset. And if I have 15 libraries it is a waste of time trying to recall which I used.

    My 2 cents would greatly improve efficiency.

    Replied February 12, 2025 at 08:00 #3370491
    John
    Moderator

    Hi,

    you can always save a Project file instead of a kit/mixer preset. They can be stored wherever you like them to be and they save/recall the entire state of the plug-in.

    BR,
    John

    John Rammelt - Toontrack
    Technical Advisor

    Replied February 12, 2025 at 17:04 #3370590
    Magnus Kristiansen
    Participant

    I bounce this. SD3 feels so unflexble in thats regard. Not only should presets be merged, but also all articleations. If I use midi grooves from exd Jazz, say brushes, they sound totaly diffrent and sometimes flawed, if I play the with SD3 the jazz sessions. You have to stay inside each pack or else its always something thats off. I actually regret by  sd3…

    Its just frustating to work with, all I do is load sets.


    Operating system: macOS Sequoia (15)
    Replied February 12, 2025 at 23:17 #3370679
    Mark King
    Participant

    You can open a kit and swap out any kit pieces and then save as a preset. What exactly are you missing? These kits are recorded in different spaces and work best if played from the same library. These are real kits!

    SD3 with older sdx,s plus Rooms of Hansa and Death & Darkness. Cubase and wavelab current versions. Roland TD50x using all trigger inputs for triggering SD3 only. Windows 11 computer. Various keyboards and outboard gear as well as VST instruments. Acoustic drums: Yamaha 9000 natural wood and Pearl masters. Various snare drums. RME BabyFace Pro FS and Adam A7X monitors

    Replied February 13, 2025 at 12:56 #3370774
    Andrew Payne
    Participant

    Jord has a fantastic suggestion for blending in kit pieces from other libraries to keep them sounding similar.

    Bear-Faced Cow wrote:

    What you can do rather than replace the kit piece entirely, is stack the kit piece on top of the existing kit piece and then mute the ambient channels of the stacked piece and the close mic channels of the original kit piece. Blend to taste. That will give it a bit more similarity with the room you’re in.

    jord


    Operating system: Windows 10

    Dell Precision 7730, i7 6 Core 2.6 GHz, 128GB RAM, 1TB SSD and 3 x 2TB SSD, Windows 11, Cubase Pro 14, SD3 plus a variety of SDX's and EZX's, Orchestral Percussion, EZBASS, RME BabyFace Pro FS and KRK V4 monitors. Modified Yamaha DTX900, DTXPRESS4 and Edrumin10 triggering SD3. Yamaha pads/cymbals and Roland VH-10 HiHat. PDP Maple acoustic kit for live playing.

    Replied February 14, 2025 at 17:13 #3371167
    Bear-Faced Cow
    Participant

    It sounds more like a misunderstanding of what MIDI is all about. If you load a groove for brushes and your kit is sticks, you’re not going to get a brush sound. Similarly, if you load a jazz type of brush groove and you have a rock kit with brushes, don’t expect it to sound the same.

    As for the original post, I can live with ToonTrack’s reasoning behind needing to keep things separate. I usually prefer to grab a library by its sound or producer than by preset name, but that’s my preference. What I would have liked to have seen is associating the preset document file with Superior Drummer, such as using a file extension, so I could set up a search shortcut in my Finder to order to aggregate my presets in a single Finder window while at the same time being able to open Superior Drummer and loading the preset by clicking on the file.

    jord

    Jordan L. Chilcott

    Web Site: https://jordanchilcottmusic.com/

    Replied March 7, 2025 at 10:54 #3378189
    Magnus Kristiansen
    Participant

    I know very well what midi is and I stand my ground. At the cost of the product, Toontrack should have made the EDX and SDX compatible with each other and make em sound good, at least within the same genre. Just try to use brush midi from EZX Jazz in SD3 JazzSessions (Brush-kit), it’s flawed because of different use of brush articulations, and different drummer. Im not spending any more of my hard earned money on Toontrack-products until they  launch free compatibility patches between their sound expansions. I remain disappointed.


    Operating system: macOS Sequoia (15)
    Replied March 8, 2025 at 06:49 #3378528
    Bear-Faced Cow
    Participant

    I know very well what midi is and I stand my ground.

    Then let’s put this ground to the test…

    Toontrack should have made the EDX and SDX compatible with each other and make em sound good, at least within the same genre.

    Compatibility is not the issue. In fact this is where MIDI knowledge comes to play. More importantly, MIDI mapping within Superior Drummer 3.

    Just try to use brush midi from EZX Jazz in SD3 JazzSessions (Brush-kit), it’s flawed because of different use of brush articulations, and different drummer.

    Incorrect on both counts. First of all, the drummer has nothing to do with it in this case. Secondly, it’s not flawed since Superior Drummer is highly configurable. Case in point…

    I own both Jazz Sessions as well as the big brother of the Jazz EZX, other known as Roots (both libraries – I love them). Many of the standard brush articulation mappings within the older libraries and even the Superior Drummer 3 Core Library are pretty standard as they have a smaller brush articulation set as shown below. Using a groove from Roots you will see the swirls being utilized as they should.

    Screenshot-2025-03-07-at-10.19.06 PM

    However, with Jazz Sessions, the brush articulation set is far more expansive. Thus, not all articulations can be mapped. In this case, there are 2 sets of swirls, regular and accented, that are not MIDI mapped and when you examine the groove in the grid editor you will see which articulations are actually being played.

    Screenshot-2025-03-07-at-10.25.58 PM

    So, in order to make the groove play as it should, all you need to do is open the MIDI Mapping property window and remap the In Swirl and Out Swirl (or accented if you want a different feel) to those ones being played and the grooves automagically play as they should.

    Screenshot-2025-03-08-at-12.24.01 AM

    Save your kit preset and you’re good to go.

    That being said, I could give you the benefit of the doubt considering that this articulation loading is different than the other libraries. John, Rixa and Damien might be looking at this thread and reviewing the library, and if there’s a need for an adjustment to how the default articulation sets load you can be sure that an update will be released in due time.

    jord

    Jordan L. Chilcott

    Web Site: https://jordanchilcottmusic.com/

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    Thanked by: Magnus Kristiansen, Brad and Andrew Payne
    Replied March 8, 2025 at 08:58 #3378550
    Damian Blunt
    Moderator

    I can understand your frustration regarding brushes but the Jazz EZX was released in 2009 whilst the Jazz Sessions SDX was released in 2024. We continually try to push boundaries with new products whilst maintaining compatibility with legacy products however sometimes this is not possible if we want to advance our sound libraries in terms of natural playback and overall quality of results.

    Regarding the included MIDI we like to showcase the capabilities of each sample library. For example the recent Fusion EZX has MIDI that triggers Octobans and the Gong drum, instruments that no other EZX includes, so results with other EZXs will likely be unpredictable. On the other hand the standalone Foundational Fusion MIDI pack that was released a week after the Fusion EZX maintains much broader compatibility and does not trigger these special instruments or articulations.

    Despite The Jazz Sessions containing our most detailed sampling of brushes so far the brush MIDI will still largely maintain compatibility with SDX’s released from Superior Drummer 3 onwards.

    I am sorry that my answer does not solve your particular problem and some manual remapping will be required but hopefully you can understand why such choices are made. Although there are 127 MIDI notes available to map articulations to they often seem to run out far too quickly and ultimately difficult decisions regarding mapping have to be made.

    We always look to improve our user experience and maybe these issues can be resolved in future.

    Damian Blunt - Toontrack
    Quality Assurance
    Betatesting

    • This post was modified 3 months, 2 weeks ago by Damian Blunt.

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    Thanked by: Magnus Kristiansen, Mark King, Bear-Faced Cow and 2 others.
    Replied March 11, 2025 at 10:17 #3379666
    Magnus Kristiansen
    Participant
    Damian Blunt wrote:

    We always look to improve our user experience and maybe these issues can be resolved in future.

    Right answer. Never blame the customer for being stupid. Sonically, Toontrack are miles ahead of other drummer software, but while user experience is not bad, I feel, compared to what’s going on now with chat GPT etc., Toontrack need to bring better ways for the user to convey how they want their drummer drum. One shouldn’t need to do so much instruction manual reading like I have to with SD3.  Im high maintenance, I know.

    “Peace and love” – Ringo Starr

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