Topic: Toms ‘woofing’ on final hits of some rolls (audio attached)

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Replied August 19, 2021 at 02:54 #2782372

Red Gear Music
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The audio files are silent…

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Replied August 19, 2021 at 03:03 #2782375

Miscreant
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Yikes, that’s embarrassing…corrected file posted here. Thanks.

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Replied August 21, 2021 at 06:52 #2783400
Red Gear Music
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You will want to adjust the decay, hold, curve slope, and release of the tom’s. I do this quite a bit as well because I don’t want some toms to ring as long as they do or be too boomy. So I adjust these settings in the envelop and offset menu.

Like this screen shot, I adjusted the floor tom to be pretty flat response with little ring…

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Replied August 21, 2021 at 17:22 #2783563

Miscreant
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Thanks for chiming in, Bryan. I’m familiar with the envelope control here, and I do use it frequently. But I am actually wondering why the tom ‘woofs’ only after some rolls and not others. Any insight here?

Relatedly, I am trying to learn how to mix drums outside the virtual environment, where I do not have access to all the tricks available to me in Superior. How would someone handle this woofing on a real kit? I’m assuming with compression and gating, which I am already using.

Any other tricks anyone uses to control tom sustain and woofing?

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Replied August 21, 2021 at 18:43 #2783599

Brad
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Miscreant wrote:

Thanks for chiming in, Bryan. I’m familiar with the envelope control here, and I do use it frequently. But I am actually wondering why the tom ‘woofs’ only after some rolls and not others. Any insight here?

Relatedly, I am trying to learn how to mix drums outside the virtual environment, where I do not have access to all the tricks available to me in Superior. How would someone handle this woofing on a real kit? I’m assuming with compression and gating, which I am already using.

Any other tricks anyone uses to control tom sustain and woofing?

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The “randomness” of the “woofing” could be dependent on the velocity of the hit. (that’s a guess). Is it a specific kit or preset?

As far as live recorded drums, you could try deadening the heads with tape, cloths, other gauze based items. Remove the bottom head (which granted changes the sound of the tom…. but) Post recording; if you have your tom close mics printed to separate tracks you could try a transient shaper/designer plug-in.

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Replied August 21, 2021 at 23:00 #2783697

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I was going to suggest exactly what Brad just mentioned…velocity variance and did you change anything on the Velocity curve menu for the toms?

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Replied August 22, 2021 at 03:20 #2783774

Miscreant
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Thanks, everyone.

Re: velocity. Between the hits you’re hearing in the clip I posted, there is a maximum range of 7 between their respective velocities, but they average out relatively evenly. So I do not suspect velocity variance is the culprit, unless I am wrong about how sensitive the samples are to variances of on average 3-4 or so. Maybe I am wrong about that.

As for the kit, it’s the Tama Star Classic Bubinga in Metalmachine EZX, run through S3.

I’m going to revisit the gating to see if I can shape the envelope more to my liking, even if the ‘woofs’ are relatively random right now. If that doesn’t work I’ll use the envelope shaper in S3, though I do always want to see if I can do more with my standard, core mixing tools. So a bit of a bummer.
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Toms ‘woofing’ on final hits of some rolls (audio attached)

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