Topic: Stereo Bug in Core Library, Cymbal 5

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Replied July 23, 2021 at 18:08 #2773365

pumpkinking
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I just went through all of the articulations on this cymbal in the 5 position you indicated, and they all appeared to originate more in the right side of the stereo field than the left, although the sustain approached a balanced L/R quickly. Hard to accurately measure in the SD3 mixer (that I know of anyway) so I cannot prove it. But I did compare it to the default cymbals in positions Cymbal 1 and 2 and there was a distinct difference in perceived location in the stereo field.

Superior Drummer 3 version: 3.2.4
Operating system: macOS Big Sur (11)

Replied July 24, 2021 at 00:31 #2773432

monospace
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It’s a little harder to notice on a per-articulation basis, although the bell and the bow shank are definitely coming from the left, and they should be coming from the right.

When you swap out the instruments entirely (one of either chinas in this slot vs this crash/ride) the issue becomes immediately apparent, especially if you use a module like the eDrumIn that allows you to use 3 articulations per cymbal; it’s slightly less obvious when all you can use is the Crash articulation. Especially on edrums it is rather startling to all of a sudden hear a cymbal that is physically triggered on the right come from the left instead.

It’s “fixable” with some creative use of the Mixer and an X-Drum but it sounds like an obvious bug.

E-drummer. eDrumIn trigger interface with various Roland trigger pads. MacBook Pro (mid-2015); MacOS High Sierra; Logic Pro X 10.4.8. Superior Drummer user since 2009.
Replied July 24, 2021 at 00:39 #2773438
monospace
Participant
By the way, the 18” Istanbul Agop Traditional Dark Crash in the Cymbal 4 slot is suffering from the exact same bug. Trust me, once you hear it, you can’t un-hear it.

E-drummer. eDrumIn trigger interface with various Roland trigger pads. MacBook Pro (mid-2015); MacOS High Sierra; Logic Pro X 10.4.8. Superior Drummer user since 2009.
- This post was modified 3 years, 11 months ago by monospace.
Replied July 25, 2021 at 00:58 #2773863
pumpkinking
Participant
Hi monospace. You might be on to something but I’m not able to see it consistently. If I just open the core library to the default kit, and then place the offending cymbal in slot 5, I hear what you are referring to clearly. However, if I take an existing core custom preset that I use frequently and do the same, it is OK. So far I cannot explain why this is the case, however…

Here is more info: if I solo the Ambient ribbon mic, the cymbal is clearly from the right. If I solo the OH Dynamic, it is very much from the left. And if I solo the Ambient near it is close to middle. So maybe check your mixer, maybe the preset that sounds good to me has the OH Dyn off or lowered. I’m wondering if just one mic (OH Dyn) was L-R reversed. I’ll keep playing with it.

Superior Drummer 3 version: 3.2.4
Operating system: macOS Big Sur (11)
- This post was modified 3 years, 11 months ago by pumpkinking.
Replied July 25, 2021 at 23:34 #2774194

Mark King
Participant

I found many in the past in sd2 and before that and toontrack always acted on them

SD3 with older sdx,s plus Rooms of Hansa and Death & Darkness. Cubase and wavelab current versions. Roland TD50x using all trigger inputs for triggering SD3 only. Windows 11 computer. Various keyboards and outboard gear as well as VST instruments. Acoustic drums: Yamaha 9000 natural wood and Pearl masters. Various snare drums. RME BabyFace Pro FS and Adam A7X monitors

Replied July 26, 2021 at 10:23 #2774313

BlueMistral
Participant

I bounced a couple of hits on this second cymbal, the 19″ Z K Constantinople C R, and saw this, the bow clearly shows some peaks on the left, the bell and crash seem fine to me.

Replied July 28, 2021 at 01:06 #2774760

monospace
Participant

pumpkinking wrote:

I’m wondering if just one mic (OH Dyn) was L-R reversed.

From what I can tell, that is indeed the case, and only for the two cymbals I mentioned.

One workaround I’ve been using is to reroute those particular cymbal microphones into a new X-OH Dyn, and reverse the panning on those. Unfortunately that means you can’t simply swap out instruments in the Drum Tab without having to make a trip to the Mixer Tab as well.

E-drummer. eDrumIn trigger interface with various Roland trigger pads. MacBook Pro (mid-2015); MacOS High Sierra; Logic Pro X 10.4.8. Superior Drummer user since 2009.
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Stereo Bug in Core Library, Cymbal 5

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