monospaceI am playing edrums with a second snare drum, a piccolo mounted to the left of my hihat. So I bring in the instrument as an X-Drum on the left side of my Drum tab, but I don’t see a way to access the bleeds (snare buzz) for the bottom mic in the mixer, the way I can for my main snare. By default, the X-Drum Bottom Snare mic doesn’t contain any bleed signals, and creating a new mic channel makes no difference.I know those sounds exist, but there doesn’t seem to be a way to access them anywhere but the main snare drum mics. Is this even possible?
E-drummer. eDrumIn trigger interface with various Roland trigger pads. MacBook Pro (mid-2015); MacOS High Sierra; Logic Pro X 10.4.8. Superior Drummer user since 2009.
JohnHi,
the added Instrument (Snare) will auto-map its bleeds to existing mixer channels (or you create new ones) and the new X-channels for Top and Bottom in the Snare case, will only carry the direct signals.
Are you asking for already present Instrument’s bleed to be added to the X-channel?
Already present Instruments bleed through all the other microphones, so adding the very same bleed to another microphone would be pointless, right?
If you add an Instrument (e.g. Snare) from a totally different expansion it would be really strange. This all is me thinking I understand you right, which perhaps I don’t?
BR,
John
John Rammelt - Toontrack
Technical Advisor
monospaceNo, what I’m looking for is the snare buzz that you get when you enable bleed (by default only the other shell mics are enabled) in the Bottom mic on the main/default snare drum. So that when I hit one of the toms, I can hear that tom, along with the buzz of the snare, on the Bottom mic.
This does not appear to be possible when I add a second snare as an X-Drum, not even when it’s from the same library. As you note, the X-Drum can be bleed-enabled in the other mics, but that’s not what I want. I want the other instruments to be bleed-enabled in the Bottom mic of the X-Drum.
Clearly those sounds exist/were recorded because I can hear them fine when I load that snare in the main position. I’m just wondering if there’s a way to access them on an X-Drum.
E-drummer. eDrumIn trigger interface with various Roland trigger pads. MacBook Pro (mid-2015); MacOS High Sierra; Logic Pro X 10.4.8. Superior Drummer user since 2009.
pumpkinkingI’ve played with this before as well, and it seems a fundamental limitation in all of the User Mics in the mixer. The bleed options pull-down for every single one has enable/disable all instrument bleed greyed out.
The Route Instrument Microphones window shows bleed mics associated with mixer channels for X Instruments, but it seems they cannot be enabled.
pumpkinkingOK, I might have figured something out here. In the mixer, I open the Route Instrument Microphones window, and select the mic routing for the kick drum. Under the bleed mics, I change the mixer channel for the snare bottom mic to the X-Snare bottom. This change has the desired effect in that kick hits bleed onto the X-Drum snare bottom. Unfortunately, I cannot find a way to have two different snare bottom bleed mics.
MintberryCrunchNo, what I’m looking for is the snare buzz that you get when you enable bleed (by default only the other shell mics are enabled) in the Bottom mic on the main/default snare drum. So that when I hit one of the toms, I can hear that tom, along with the buzz of the snare, on the Bottom mic.
I can fix this with a workaround: You’ll have your main snare bleed-buzzing when playing X-drums of all kinds and from all packs. Please contact me on FB if you want the fix. 🙂
monospaceThanks, I know how to work around this using a DAW. I was wondering if this was possible inside the plugin itself, or in standalone.
E-drummer. eDrumIn trigger interface with various Roland trigger pads. MacBook Pro (mid-2015); MacOS High Sierra; Logic Pro X 10.4.8. Superior Drummer user since 2009.
MintberryCrunchThanks, I know how to work around this using a DAW. I was wondering if this was possible inside the plugin itself, or in standalone.
I’m talking about the standalone (/plugin itself) so no DAW needed. 🙂
John@MintberryCrunch: Why, please share what you have in mind here, if you have some tips that can benefit other users? I’m curious myself.
BR,
John
John Rammelt - Toontrack
Technical Advisor
MintberryCrunch@John: please understand that I’m a full time job software drumming mentor/expert/teacher and I don’t want to share highly specialized fixes for free. You also do not have SD3 for free though the world would greatly benefit from it, do you?
As you are one of the ingenious crew which I love you can get a free sample: send me your preset and I will return the fixed preset to you.
Mark KingBut this is a forum for helping people freely so maybe not the right place
SD3 with older sdx,s plus Rooms of Hansa and Death & Darkness. Cubase and wavelab current versions. Roland TD50x using all trigger inputs for triggering SD3 only. Windows 11 computer. Various keyboards and outboard gear as well as VST instruments. Acoustic drums: Yamaha 9000 natural wood and Pearl masters. Various snare drums. RME BabyFace Pro FS and Adam A7X monitors
MintberryCrunchBut this is a forum for helping people freely
Where is this stated?
I just let people know that their inquieries and issues which obviously can’t be resolved by people (or the crew) can be resolved. I cannot imagine there is an issue with this as you can of course ignore it ;).
monospaceMintBerryCrunch is well known on other forums as the guy who sells crappy DAW solutions to problems he insists other people are having even when they don’t. He’s a huckster who hijacks other people’s threads in order to scam them out of money. If he can’t be banned, at least he should be ignored.
E-drummer. eDrumIn trigger interface with various Roland trigger pads. MacBook Pro (mid-2015); MacOS High Sierra; Logic Pro X 10.4.8. Superior Drummer user since 2009.
MintberryCrunchOh man, seems that in the end you don’t want you snare bleed (I doubt anyone else will be able to fix it). After your kind words I won’t fix your issue, that’s for sure.
MintBerryCrunch is well known on other forums as the guy who sells crappy DAW solutions to problems he insists other people are having even when they don’t.
Prove it man! -> Find one guy on earth who reports about “crappy DAW solutions”. The contrary is the case as you easily can read on my forum (check user reviews). And tell me why people ask me for fixes (also here in this forum).
He’s a huckster who hijacks other people’s threads in order to scam them out of money. If he can’t be banned, at least he should be ignored.
If you were in Germany or Europe my lawyer would have sent you a cease-and-desist letter regarding your spreading of these outrageous lies.
Kai_20Monospace is simply on a vendetta trip, since Mintberry extended his tips concerning e drum shakers in the VDrum forum, for whatever reason he still suffers, not sure what the real problem is. Get a life, no one us urging you to buy anything.
He has to come to grips with his lying and false statements, I find this quite shabby…..
For example, I booked Mintberry myself fixing some Toontrack stepping hi-hat issues. He succeeded, well worth the money, since there are a lot of problems, regardless of manufacturer (soft and hardware) It is cool that some nerds offer solutions.
Made my drum experience better.
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Thanked by: MintberryCrunchmonospaceI’m not on a vendetta trip. Over a bass shaker thread? Get real. This is much worse. I’m just warning people that this particular user only uses forums like this to sell his services. He has never (and you can easily verify this) offered any usable advice to anyone for free. It’s nice that you think he fixed a problem for you, but if he really cared about the electronic drumming community he would be offering that advice for free, especially since he does not own any of the products in question. All of the “solutions” he offers are simple MIDI hacks that have been known forever. If you paid for that, I think you should demand your money back, but moreover, what he’s doing is destructive to the spirit of freely sharing knowledge to everyone’s advantage.
I’m done with this thread. I refuse to give this guy another opportunity to ruin a potentially interesting discussion, and I recommend you do the same. Peace out.
E-drummer. eDrumIn trigger interface with various Roland trigger pads. MacBook Pro (mid-2015); MacOS High Sierra; Logic Pro X 10.4.8. Superior Drummer user since 2009.
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