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Aloha from Honolulu,
I am working on a track that, in the early “sketching” period, had EZD2 engaged: I used the EZD2 Modern Prog Rock drum kit/setting and it worked well.
I upgraded to SD3 and am working hard to get a similar sound.
Pulling the EZD2 Modern Prog Rock drum kit/setting up in SD3 was far from satisfactory. It just didn’t sound the same.
Thus, I’ve gone ISO another kit that is in the same sonic ballpark.
I looped 6 bars of a groove (EZX Indie Folk / Midtempo / Straight 4/4 / Santa Fay 132 bpm / Verse / Variation 02) and started auditioning different SD3 kits.
While some choices work well (e.g., SD3 / Metal.Heavy Rock / Aussie Rock)…
… most other selections do not
… there seems to be way too many ghost notes on the snare
… way too busy, not what I need in the track
I can’t for the life of me stop the ghost-note busy-ness — which limits which SD3 kits I can audition.
Any suggestions how to stop the ghost-note craziness?
Mahalo!
Cat
You are able to modify the groove using either the Edit Play Styles (Similar to EZD2) or the Grid Editor. The Grid Editor will allow you to get granular as to which ghost notes you want to either modify or remove.
jord
You can also tweak the Velocity Curve on the snare so that the ghost notes play back more softly.
E-drummer. eDrumIn trigger interface with various Roland trigger pads. MacBook Pro (mid-2015); MacOS High Sierra; Logic Pro X 10.4.8. Superior Drummer user since 2009.
Aloha Monospace,
Mahalo. Appreciated.
I’ve tried all the suggestions, but have reconciled myself to just using a kit without the “ghost note” problem. Fortunately, there are a few kits that work great. (It seems to be a snare-choice issue, tho’ this is not 100% correct.)
Weirdly, I can make all sorts of changes you’d think would stop the percussive “chatter” dead in its tracks, but it remains (on certain grooves) — even when I can’t see the “chatter” on the MIDI. There seems to be nothing to take out.
In addition to changing kits, I can always go for simpler grooves. It’s just frustrating to choose grooves you like, but when the kit changes, those very same grooves ruin the sections they are in.
But, hey, SD3 is pretty awesome so… I can live with “it”! In future, I won’t be making the transition from EZD2 to SD3 within the same project. I’m sure that’s the real issue.
Thanks again!
Cat
I’m confused by what you are calling “ghost notes”. They are usually syncopated played snare hits played very lightly between the basic 2 and 4 beats. They are either in the MIDI performance or drawn in via the editor. They have nothing to do with a preset or a kit.
What you are describing sounds like it’s in the kit or samples and not a MIDI “hit”.
I’m unclear what you are referring to. Is it possible for you to make an short mp3 of what you are talking about and zip it and attach it to a post?
Scott Sibley - Toontrack
Technical Advisor
Aloha from Honolulu,
Will do.
I put “ghost notes” in inverted commas because… didn’t know what else to call it. It’s digital “chatter,” but it’s in sync… and unwanted.
I do think the real issue is moving from EZD2 to SD3 within the same project: this introduces all manner of complexities that wouldn’t have been there had I just started off with SD3 at the start.
I won’t be back in my studio for several days, maybe a week. Stay tuned.
Mahalo!
Cat
When you say percussive “ chatter“, are you referring to bleed? If so, you can either turn it down or off in your mixer channel properties.
jord
Aloha again BFC,
Good point — I assumed bleed was turned off by default.
Perhaps not, at least not in all cases?
If bleed is on by default… that’s a problem when bleed’s a problem… it’ll make auditioning possibilities cumbersome.
Is there any way to select “no bleed” as a default setting?
(In transitioning from EZD2 I’ve found myself turning bleed on, that or there’s no bleed option available.)
Thanks again! Appreciated.
Mahalo nui loa!
Cat
Bleed is not a global setting. It is controlled through your presets since it can be used in many different ways. You can set up a default preset that contains no bleed and audition your kits that way. SD3 has a much larger footprint than EZ D2, which includes all of the bleed associated with recorded drums.
jord
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