Ben CarterHi,
Is SD3 AU supported in UAD’s LUNA DAW and if so is there something specific that needs to be done to have SD3 show up inside UAD LUNA?
Neither SD3 or EZkeys show inside LUNA v1.0.0 or v1.0.1 from what I can see and I’m hoping that there may be a work around or that I am missing something obvious?
Thanks,
Ben
Bear-Faced CowThere are people that are running SD3 with Luna. You may want to check to see if there is a plug-in manager within Luna. Note however, multiple outputs are not supported at this time.
jord
Ben CarterHi jord,
Thanks for replying, plugin scanning is automatic inside LUNA, and yes you are correct that UAD have noted that multiple outs are not currently supported in either the initial v1.0.0 release or the v1.0.1 update.
Can I please ask what you mean by “there are some people running SD3 in Luna”? Are you referring to a specific online thread that you can post a URL to here? Or do you know someone who has told you that they are using SD3 inside LUNA? Thanks!
At this point the only other thing that comes to mind is that I am running OSX 10.14 Mojave and not OSX 10.15 Catalina, but I am not going to upgrade OS on a whim. I have a range of other licenced 3rd party AU plugins and instruments that are working as intended, and also a range of licenced AU 3rd party plugins and instruments that are also not displaying.
Is there anyone out there on the Toontrack forums who can see Toontrack plugins inside LUNA v1.0.0 or v1.0.1 and is able to load them without problems? If so are you on 10.14 or 10.15? Thanks!
Thanks again,
Ben
mickgI’ve opened Luna and was pleasantly surprised when SD3 showed up in my instrument list. I haven’t used it yet with my Trap Kat but when using my Axiom keyboard controller it seems to have little or no lag. Can’t wait to try it with my Kats. I’m sure the output thing will come in time. Right now I’m looking to see how fast it triggers over MIDI. ProTools never worked for me. I couldn’t get the buffer low enough without it crapping out. Always used SD3 as stand alone. Hopefully Luna will do it for me. I have an Apollo Twin Quad and the original Apollo Quad Thunderbolt. I’ll let you know how things are progressing.
Mick
Bear-Faced CowI saw people running SD3 in Luna on the UAD Forum. Don’t remember which thread. However seeing Mick game post above should also indicate that it should work
Try clearing your audio unit cache and re-scanning. If you’re unsure how to do this, download Onyx as it will do this for.
jord
Ben CarterHi Mick,
Thanks for reporting your experience, I finally got a chance to look at LUNA again this evening and found a work around to the issue I initially described above.
Essentially, do not try to click any empty instrument slot in the GUI and potentially expect to see all of your licenced VIs. At least that is my experience.
Rather, either click the + (add tracks icon), or Track > New Instrument (from the main LUNA menu, or shortcut Shift + Command + I) to see all of your instruments. But this way means that a new instrument track has to be created to add one of the missing VIs. Further, for some reason, if you clear out a VI that was initially missing via the contextual inspector, and then re-click the instrument slot to load another VI, then the VIs that were missing will be missing again.
My problem was that I re-built my DAW template first to get used to LUNA and that was my mistake I guess. Initially, I started with Kontakt (that does show in the contextual search inspector), and then duplicated that track, to get the next instrument track, cleared the instrument slot out and then clicked it again looking for SD3. That is when my problem started, and I ran out of time to keep digging around, given that the UAD forums and Toontrack forums had no clear, factual information. There were a few “should haves” etc floating around, and common audio DAW app fixes being suggested, but no concrete, proven steps to follow.
Like most DAWs there are many ways to achieve a particular result, and the way I approached adding VIs seems to be buggy at the moment. It is interesting to note that not all of my NI VIs show via the inspector when clicking on an empty instrument slot, but Kontakt does.
All up, I think this is a bug and have reported it to UAD via the in app feedback tool.
The simple solution for me was to create a new VI track rather than duplicate via one of the two methods above.
ps … I should have said from the get go that LUNA looks and feels awesome, and is snappy on my late 2013 Mac Pro. Also the workflows that UAD have built into LUNA are fresh and intuitive. Gotta love the shortcut keys matching the other DAW I am used to! Unlike the UAD forums where there is one post about SD3 and LUNA, it does not crash for me now that I have it loaded. Fingers crossed!
Thanks again,
Ben
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Thanked by: stephane trepanierBear-Faced CowI guess all I can say is hope Luna works for you. At the moment I am going to stick with Logic mainly because my workflow is more suited to it, which is why I have stuck with it for the last 30+ years.
jord
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Thanked by: TOM.MCDERMOTTmickgI hear you. That’s the reason I have been using Pro Tools since it was Sound Designer, then Sound Tools and finally Pro Tools. It (almost) always worked for me for what I do, which is editing music for film. Luna is exciting because it looks like I may be able to use it as the host for SD3. I’d love to have complete flexibility to use UADs plug ins which are pretty great. I’m certainly not ready to give up Pro Tools (my subscription to PT Ultimate is good till Jan 31 2020) but it may be a good time to check it out since I already have a big investment in UA hardware and plug-ins. I’m going to upgrade my Mac to Catalina now and see how that goes. Just kidding…
Bear-Faced CowGeez, you sound as old as I am, using names of music software past! Whenever I mention terms like Notator, my Grandkids are like, “OK, Pops! Time for your meds.”
I am not denigrating Luna’s capabilities in anyway. I’m more than certain that UA is Taking the recording environment very seriously. However, I need more than just being able to record vocals and guitar playing. Logic is more of a writing and arranging tool as well as a recording tool. Even more so, it is the central hub for me as I am writing more on my iPhone and iPad using GarageBand and Music Memos. This is something that Luna doesn’t offer me.
The other strike against Luna, as far as I’m concerned, is the lack of multi out instruments. Part of my SD3 workflow involves multi out because, like you, I am getting full value of my UAD plug-ins. The DBX 160 is one of my most used plug-ins for parallel compression and the Neve 33609 and Studer are on my drum bus (not discounting SD3’s plug-Ins, but I am a Neve guy), amongst a few others, such as creating new drum rooms (don’t underestimate RealVerb – it was a lifesaver in my BFD days).
Perhaps, I can find myself forced to use Luna if they decide to integrate it with Console. It would only piss me off if it puts a dent in my recording chain. Until then, I don’t think I need to worry about it.
jord
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Thanked by: Norbert
Jason KittleI’m using alesis e drum kit and I get sound to play through but it will not record for the life of me. You happen to know how to fix this issue Sir?
Peter MillerHi Ben,
I read your info with delight hoping I’d finally gotten the answer to my problem with Luna and several missing VI’s and some other plugins such as Sonarworks.
Alas I am still stuck…DOH!
Firstly I am now completely committed to Luna due to the incredible analogue sound I can now get using the Neve Buss Summing and Studer A800 Tape on every channel…there is such an audible difference that I can’t go back to my old DAW Cubase Pro.
Secondly.. I use SD3 as my main drum VI having upgraded from EZY Drums (which along with EZY Keys do show as VI’s in Luna on the instrument list?) Having used SD3 I’m also committed to it as well.
I’m heartened that some have gotten SD3 to work in Luna so I know it can be done but I’m still not having any luck getting it to show up.
I must be missing something but when closely following your work around I still come up with the same results ie a list of available instruments to choose from which does not include SD3. This happens regardless of where I create the new instrument track from.
Selecting ‘new instrument’ from the menu at top of page opens up an instrument track with Shape; the default instrument.
When I remove this default inst to choose a different instrument I still only get to see the same list I always have seen .. still missing SD3. I live in hope that I can get to the bottom of this issue.
Regards
Peter Miller
JohnHi,
I have not had any problems loading SD3 in LUNA, have you checked the troubleshooting guide over at UA?
https://help.uaudio.com/hc/en-us/articles/360042925631-Why-are-Audio-Units-plug-ins-missing-in-LUNA-
BR,
John
John Rammelt - Toontrack
Technical Advisor
Peter MillerHi John, Yes I have and I’ve traced the problem I believe which is that SD3 does not appear in the ‘components’ folder.. but how to make that happen is a mystery to me.
I’ve not had any luck implementing the last option on their list re corrupt Luna preferences which may be the answer..
Peter
Peter MillerI’ve now Figured out how to and have worked through the deletion of preference process as suggested by UA….still have not resolved the issue though.
SD3 still not appearing in my Components list and therefore not showing up as an instrument in Luna!
Question: When told to ‘Relaunch Luna’ which is UA’s final instruction, does that mean restart or re-install Luna?
After carrying out UA’s instructions I simply did a restart on my computer and opened Luna, have I missed something?
Hint: In my list of plugins only SD3 and Sonarworks Reference 4, which is the other plugin I’m seriously missing in Luna are shown separately as .vst ….that is they are both listed outside of the – Components, VST and VST 3 folders that contain numerous (far too many) other plugins.
i live in hope that I’ll soon get SD3 happening.
regards
Peter
Peter MillerJohn, I have now worked through UA’s process of deleting Luna preference files but still no joy.
SD3 still does not appear in my Components list which I’m positive is the problem!
Any suggestions on how to get that happening?
I looked to re-install SD3 but Toontrack Project Manager tells me it’s installed already.. I’m afraid an un-install will cause issues for me but may be my last option.
regards
Peter
JohnOK, so you are saying that your ‘{Mac HD}/Library/Audio/Plug-Ins/Components/’ folder does not contain a ‘Superior Drummer 3.component’?
Then it isn’t strange it doesn’t appear.
If so, re-run the latest SD3 software installer (i.e. NOT the library parts) and make sure the Component is installed by clicking ‘Customize’ after the license agreement and ticking the box for the Audio Units plug-in if it isn’t.
Do you have any other AU host than LUNA? E.g. Logic or Garageband?
John Rammelt - Toontrack
Technical Advisor
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