Topic: SD3 as VST – some hard problems with Macro States not reflecting in the DAW

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Replied November 2, 2019 at 12:38 #2488679

Ilja Körrer
Participant

Hi Joste,

But it perfectly works in standalone i guess, right?

Greets from Cologne

Ilja

Superior Drummer 3 version: 3.1.4
Operating system: macOS High Sierra (10.13)
Replied November 4, 2019 at 09:18 #2489409
Henrik Ekblom
Participant
jorgo stefani wrote:

SD3-Macros are not sending/updating the necessery infos to the DAW.

This can’t be done since plugins (such as Superior Drummer 3) can’t “tell” the DAW what to do.

jorgo stefani wrote:

Another Problem: If I move the fader bounded to a macro – the macro knob is not moving – so the state cannot reflected by the DAW.

This can’t be done either, but from a logical perspective! For example, say that you have connected a macro knob to to a volume and a pitch knob in Superior Drummer 3, so that when you turn the macro knob both the volume and the pitch changes.

If you would change the volume control, and that would change the macro, that would in turn also change the pitch control – which probably wouldn’t be intended!

Henrik Ekblom - User Experience Designer
Toontrack

This post was modified 5 years, 7 months ago by Henrik Ekblom.
Replied November 4, 2019 at 16:35 #2489548

jorgo stefani
Participant

Hello Henrik.

First, thanks for the quick response. and one thing in advance

– I’m currently very happy with SD3 and do not want to sound disrespectful …

A: Henrik wrote: This can not be done since plugins (such as Superior Drummer 3) can not “tell” the DAW what to do.

– I think that’s not right. VSTs can and should communicate their (changed) parameter status to the DAW.

Otherwise, VSTSynths with bidirectional hardware controller – control would be unthinkable.

These are not commands to the DAW but only status information (e.g., CCs / Para 1-100) of the VSTi.

B: Henrik wrote: This can not be done either, but from a logical perspective! For example, say you have connected a knob to a volume knob in Superior Drummer 3, so that when you turn the macro knob both the volume and the pitch changes.
If you would change the volume control, and that would change the macro, that would be in turn so change the pitch control – which probably would not be intended!

– Yes, admittedly this is a bit more complicated as it would take into account different uses of the macros.

1. The Macro controls only one parameter (for example, a MixerFader)

– here bidirectional would be problem-free

2. The Macro controls several parameters

– Here should be a graphic hint (in the GUI / parameter block – Like Solo / Mute on the MixerTab above)

that there are several parameters and a clickable choice to change all or one from the nested parameters…

this is like an Off or temporarely Unlink – Button to disable the bidirectional parameter change.

This is may be considered as a constructive wish list :-))

Greetings…

Superior Drummer 3 version: 3.1.4
Operating system: Windows 10

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Thanked by: Henrik Ekblom
Replied November 4, 2019 at 16:50 #2489552

Olof Westman
Forum Crew

If you touch or move one of the macro knobs in the SD3 GUI, does that
update your hardware state?

Olof Westman - Toontrack
Coder

Replied November 4, 2019 at 17:27 #2489561

jorgo stefani
Participant

@derilja: I am not using SD3 Standalone…

@Olle @Henrik: No, DAW and so the Hardware are not recognize the NEW state.

Same when u load another Kit from SD3-dropdown menue with new Macro states.

New Macro states are not reflected.

Only when u load from Preset/Bank – VSTi.fxb/fxp the states immediately updating.

A curiosity: If u record (in a DAW) the macromovements (as controllers)

Macro 2 / 3 /4… are recordable…

Macro 1 – not – maybe a part of the problem?

Superior Drummer 3 version: 3.1.4
Operating system: Windows 10

This post was modified 5 years, 7 months ago by jorgo stefani.

Replied November 4, 2019 at 20:05 #2489622

Olof Westman
Forum Crew

Wann du stellst ein Macro-Control in SD3 ein (mit dem Computer Maus), SD3 wird das zum Host mitteilen. Aber, meistens braucht man das Host in ein geeignet “automation mode” setzen um diese Mitteilungen zu aufzeichnen oder, glaube ich, vieder zu senden. Wenn dieses nicht funktioniert dann haben auch die Presets keine Chance um deine hardware Schieberegler zu erreichen.
(Not using German a lot)

When you adjust a macro knob inside the GUI of SD3, SD3 will notify the host about the change but the host may not do anything in response to that unless a suitable automation mode is active. If this doesn’t work then selecting a preset will also have no chance to affect your hardware sliders.

Unfortunately there is a bug in 3.1.3 and 3.1.4 that makes the “touch” mode useless.

And, actually, I have no experience with updating motorized control surfaces like this. I am just guessing at how the hosts handle this.

Olof Westman - Toontrack
Coder
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