Mani10Hello,
I’ve looked all over different forums and can never really get this answered. I have a Roland TD50 and I’m running SD3 via my desktop CPU. My setup is- USB midi from TD50 runs to USB 3.0 port on desktop. Using ASIO4ALL drivers. Using lowest amount of samples / lowest buffer settings. Here are my results as they appear in SD3 under settings/midi in/edrums:
Device Type: ASIO, ASIO device: ASIO4ALL2 ASIO control: ASIO = Output latency- 1.8ms, Buffer latency- 1.5ms samples 44100
Device Type: ASIO, ASIO device: TD50 ASIO control: ASIO = Output latency- 5.1ms, Buffer latency- 1.1ms samples 44100
Difference here being the device type used- TD50 vs ASIO4ALL
My subjective feeling is using device type TD50 gives slightly better response? Does this mean the only thing that matters here is the buffer latency? The dynamics and feeling are still off when compared to playing with just the on board TD50 samples. Playing just the TD50 FEELS almost like you’re playing real drums, but then you have the roland sounds… Playing just SD3 samples sounds more like you’re playing real drums, but then the feeling is diminished / never quite there? My solution thus far has been to mix the two together, which for me has produced pretty good results with a roland / SD3 hybrid sound- mostly SD3.
My question here is- is there any way to make these latency results lower? Is it the latency that I’m picking up on while just using SD3 samples that makes my experience diminished? Or is SD3 still just limited in its capacity to work with vdrums at this point? What sort of adjustments might be made?
Thanks in advance for any input!
Mani
Mark KingSounds like your reported latency is not right. I can’t imagine asio4all is great. It is a make do when using onboard sound cards but I’ve never got the latency to be as good as a dedicated audio interface with good asio drivers
SD3 with older sdx,s plus Rooms of Hansa and Death & Darkness. Cubase and wavelab current versions. Roland TD50x using all trigger inputs for triggering SD3 only. Windows 11 computer. Various keyboards and outboard gear as well as VST instruments. Acoustic drums: Yamaha 9000 natural wood and Pearl masters. Various snare drums. RME BabyFace Pro FS and Adam A7X monitors
Mani10Thanks for your reply! It sounds like your preference is a dedicated interface? Would you mind sharing your setup? Do you have a recommendation re a good interface for vdrums? Thanks!
Mani10Hi all!
If anyone can give me a clear idea of what hardware is necessary to achieve perfect / near perfect latency and response while using SD3 with a roland TD50 it would be GREATLY appreciated. Money is not a concern as long as I’m not paying for features I don’t need to achieve this goal. I currently am running windows 10 on 8 cores at 5.o ghz. I have no audio card installed, just what’s on the motherboard with ASIO4ALL drivers. My TD50 is connected via USB midi to my CPU.
Thanks!!!
JohnHi,
from what has been discussed earlier on the Forum, I would say that any newer interface from RME or Focusrite would work well. Personally I use a UAudio interface.
Thunderbolt or USB-C are generally the fastest ones.
BR,
John
John Rammelt - Toontrack
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BlackAppsMani, did you ever get this sorted? I am having the same issue with my TD50 and SP3
Mark KingAs the answers above. A decent audio interface is what you need. I use a RME Babyface pro fs and get about 3ms latency.
SD3 with older sdx,s plus Rooms of Hansa and Death & Darkness. Cubase and wavelab current versions. Roland TD50x using all trigger inputs for triggering SD3 only. Windows 11 computer. Various keyboards and outboard gear as well as VST instruments. Acoustic drums: Yamaha 9000 natural wood and Pearl masters. Various snare drums. RME BabyFace Pro FS and Adam A7X monitors
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Thanked by: BlackAppsBlackAppsThanks for the help. I am new to using my PC to get additional virtual instruments to play via my TD50. The TD50 plugs right into the laptop via USB and then the sounds come from Superior Drummer 3. Can you help me understand how the audio interface factors into that to reduce latency? Right now, mine is about 10ms.
Mark King10ms through the the td50 or the laptop? It’s all to do with the quality of the audio interface drivers. The td50 are probably like my td30 and give about 10ms but still feel a bit off so could be reporting wrong. Useable but no ideal. The internal audio interface of a pc is usually fairly low quality and doesn’t come with asio drivers. You can use asio4all which is better and you may get lower latency but not usually as good as a dedicated audio interface with decent asio drivers.
SD3 with older sdx,s plus Rooms of Hansa and Death & Darkness. Cubase and wavelab current versions. Roland TD50x using all trigger inputs for triggering SD3 only. Windows 11 computer. Various keyboards and outboard gear as well as VST instruments. Acoustic drums: Yamaha 9000 natural wood and Pearl masters. Various snare drums. RME BabyFace Pro FS and Adam A7X monitors
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Thanked by: BlackAppsBlackAppsI was reviewing the audio settings within SD3 and the popup had a section at the bottom that indicated 10ms, I am not sure what that was referring to, TD50 or laptop. Sorry so vague on this. Once I learn more about how to use the tech, I will hopefully provide clearer info. Given your notes above, if you have BabyFace Pro, I take it that plugs into a USB-C port, correct? If so, what is the rest of the configuration? Basically, what do you have plugged into the BabyFace, plugged into the computer, etc.? Are you using headphones, speakers to monitor right now, where are those connected, etc. In a nutshell, I play the TD-50 and then run an iPad into it to play along with songs. I am trying to do the same thing, but with SD3 sounds from my computer instead of internal sounds from the TD-50.
Mark KingIt refers to whatever interface you chose in sd3. Easy to tell as it shows you. Also it’s the one where the sound comes out of!
Yes the bfp is a usb interface. It comes with a usb C and A connector. It comes with its own driver and control software and settings software. No point in saying anymore as it will mean nothing to you.
I only use the bfp inputs when recording vocals or guitar etc. I have Adam A7X power studio monitors on the output and lots of different headphones I use on the headphone out. For playing sd3 from my td30 I use beyerdynamic dt1770s.
For you would would have the td50x into one usb socket and an audio interface into another usb socket. Midi goes from the td50x via usb into the pc. The audio of sd3 goes out through the audio interface and you listen through speakers connected to it or headphones.
SD3 with older sdx,s plus Rooms of Hansa and Death & Darkness. Cubase and wavelab current versions. Roland TD50x using all trigger inputs for triggering SD3 only. Windows 11 computer. Various keyboards and outboard gear as well as VST instruments. Acoustic drums: Yamaha 9000 natural wood and Pearl masters. Various snare drums. RME BabyFace Pro FS and Adam A7X monitors
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drdrumwould anyone know the latency in a TD27 connected by USB? Or how to get that info?
And would an audio interface be better than using the TD27 as an interface?
Superior Drummer 3 version: 3.3.6 EZ Bass 1.1.8 EZ Keys 2 2.0.4
Operating system: MacOSX 15.7 Catalina and Win10 64
WolfgangSome time ago I did some latency tests. Used a TD-17 there but should be pretty much the same with a TD-27. If your’re interested: https://www.lukaschek.com/de/latency-test.html
One of the outcomes: audio interface makes a difference and a dedicated interface has lower latency than the Rolands.
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