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Hi,
I have a few questions regarding the best way to realistically program a hi-hat abruptly closing by drawing hits in the grid editor without the use of a E-drum hi-hat trigger.
I’ve tried a few things but with inconsistent results.
If I am trying to get the sound of the pedal actually closing, can I use the “enable curve” setting within the Pedal CC editor in the advanced view drop down menu? Or, is it possible to achieve this sound within the hi-hat articulation options within the main grid editor?
Do these CC Pedal Control settings override the hi-hat articulations drawn in the main grid editor (e.g. “Open Edge 0-4”) or do they only affect specific high hat articulations?
What’s the difference between Pedal CC Control (CC1) and Pedal CC Control (CC4)? Which one would be best to use to manually program information if not using a midi instrument?
Thanks for your time!
Cc4 for the hi hat. I record edrums but I still edit the cc4 data and draw it in. I do this using Cubase.
SD3 with older sdx,s plus Rooms of Hansa and Death & Darkness. Cubase and wavelab current versions. Roland TD50x using all trigger inputs for triggering SD3 only. Windows 11 computer. Various keyboards and outboard gear as well as VST instruments. Acoustic drums: Yamaha 9000 natural wood and Pearl masters. Various snare drums. RME BabyFace Pro FS and Adam A7X monitors
I have CC4 mapped to one of the knobs of my Maschine (in MIDI controller mode). I will usually use that as I am playing the hat on the pad.
jord
In the past I’ve used epxression pedal on midi keyboard doing CC#11 and a midi modifier to make that CC#04 – in realtime.
So using a normal midi keyboard you can experiment a bit using one A#-key, test various octaves to see which one – and move expression pedal and see what happends.
To do a couple of bars of that in realtime and just copy is not that difficult – but you can learn what sounds right if you prefer to program.
In the days before doing even pads, before edrums as now, I recorded twohanded hihat separately – then in another take do just snare and kick and toms as well – using two hands. It’s easier than you think doing at least some patterns.
If you are using CC4 to open and close, do not use the regular articulations (open.closed, etc) – use the ‘Trigger’ articulations (Edge Trigger, Tip Trigger).
BR,
John
John Rammelt - Toontrack
Technical Advisor
In the past I’ve used epxression pedal on midi keyboard doing CC#11 and a midi modifier to make that CC#04 – in realtime.
Actually, that’s a very good idea. I can map a foot pedal from my floorboard and use that while I play the hats.
In the days before doing even pads, before edrums as now, I recorded twohanded hihat separately – then in another take do just snare and kick and toms as well – using two hands. It’s easier than you think doing at least some patterns.
Actually it’s very easy to do all of the kit pieces in a beat if you not only set your pads up in a way that will help you play them, but also losing what I like to refer as the static drum kit mentality.
jord
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If you are using CC4 to open and close, do not use the regular articulations (open.closed, etc) – use the ‘Trigger’ articulations (Edge Trigger, Tip Trigger).”
how do i assign those? why would it not use the Trig ones by default if you’re playing an e kit?
Andy Selway
how do i assign those?
When you draw notes manually in the Grid Editor, you select where to add the notes. When using the CC curve, draw the notes on the trigger (“trig”) articulations.
why would it not use the Trig ones by default if you’re playing an e kit?
When you play using your kit, the trigger articulations will most likely be used for hi-hat (and other CC controlled instruments, for example snare if you kit has such a snare).
Henrik Ekblom - User Experience Designer
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