RevelationI looked in the manual and tutorial videos and have not seen how to do this. If the toms especially are ringing too much, how do you damp the tom?
Olof WestmanTo some extent this can be done by various methods using effects in the mixer. However, I will describe how to do it using the Envelope. This still involves effects in the mixer.
-Select your tom.
-Expand and enable the “Envelope and Offset” box.
-Enable the fading part by dialing in a “Release” time just below 2 seconds.
-Dial in a “Curve Slope” value that damps the tom to your taste. Perhaps around 0.4 seconds.
This is all you have to do if you aren’t interested in the reverberating sound of the room – but, if you are, you will have noticed that the envelope fade has also removed that. The ambience sound of the tom needs special individual treatment and for that you need to create its own ambience mic.
-Right-click on the tom and select More>Route Instrument Microphones.
-For the room mic you use, perhaps “Amb Ribbon”, click on the blue menu on the right hand side and select “Create New Channel”.
-Go to the Mixer and select your new channel and make sure that its “Properties” are displayed to the right.
-At the bottom, slide the “Level Envelope Releases” to the right and you will hear the room comming back.
You may be happy with this result but this also brings back the unwanted ring of the tom in that mic.
-Add an EQ to your new room mic.
-Identify and suppress the 2 – 3 major resonance frequencies of the tom, probably using high Q peaks with negative gain.
Now you have everything set up. What remains is to fine tune the Envelope and “Level Envelope Releases” values.
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Boyd Gross IITo some extent this can be done by various methods using effects in the mixer. However, I will describe how to do it using the Envelope. This still involves effects in the mixer.
-Select your tom.
-Expand and enable the “Envelope and Offset” box.
-Enable the fading part by dialing in a “Release” time just below 2 seconds.
-Dial in a “Curve Slope” value that damps the tom to your taste. Perhaps around 0.4 seconds.
This is all you have to do if you aren’t interested in the reverberating sound of the room – but, if you are, you will have noticed that the envelope fade has also removed that. The ambience sound of the tom needs special individual treatment and for that you need to create its own ambience mic.
-Right-click on the tom and select More>Route Instrument Microphones.
-For the room mic you use, perhaps “Amb Ribbon”, click on the blue menu on the right hand side and select “Create New Channel”.
-Go to the Mixer and select your new channel and make sure that its “Properties” are displayed to the right.
-At the bottom, slide the “Level Envelope Releases” to the right and you will hear the room comming back.
You may be happy with this result but this also brings back the unwanted ring of the tom in that mic.
-Add an EQ to your new room mic.
-Identify and suppress the 2 – 3 major resonance frequencies of the tom, probably using high Q peaks with negative gain.
Now you have everything set up. What remains is to fine tune the Envelope and “Level Envelope Releases” values.
This worked! I just found this earlier when tinkering around and reading this made my evening!
Thank you.
I’m trying to build a drumkit for my friend I want to feature. He wants a dry crash that is kind of thin, a washy and clear ride, and dw collector kit. So, it’s about to happen.
hector_18Is this still true about losing the ambience/reverb after editing the release time, or was it fixed in an update?
I reduced the release ever so slightly on a few toms, and I still do hear the room/ambience (even when the amb channel is solo).
This is what it should do, imo. Reducing the release time is like putting gel or tape on the drum head. But the reverb and room size would still exist (and it seems like it does). I don’t see where the steps in the above response are needed.
Olof WestmanIs this still true about losing the ambience/reverb after editing the release time, or was it fixed in an update?
This is not a bug, so it is not something that can be fixed. When you fade a drum using the envelope, that affects the sound of the drum in all the mics. So if you make a tom fade out in 100ms then it will do so also in the ambience mics and that will not sound natural since you would expect the sound of the tom to reverberate in the room after the drum itself has gone quiet.
I reduced the release ever so slightly on a few toms, and I still do hear the room/ambience (even when the amb channel is solo).
Yes, there is sound comming out of the ambience mics – for just as long as it comes out of the close mics.
This is what it should do, imo. Reducing the release time is like putting gel or tape on the drum head. But the reverb and room size would still exist (and it seems like it does). I don’t see where the steps in the above response are needed.
I described a three step process to fake a damped tom in a way that sounds pretty natural.
If you are happy with the result after just one or two steps then stop there and enjoy. 🙂
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BrodieSkiddlzThey may not consider it a bug, but I would. A real drum set would not behave that way in a room. if you put moongel on a drum head, the room doesn’t suddenly become less live. you would still hear the room’s reaction to the drum, there’s just less tail for the room to use. the initial transient would still take time to decay in the room. It shouldn’t take so many steps to make it sound natural.
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