Joey AfonsoDoes anyone has issues when playing SD3 with a edrums? When a play a stock or preset the drums sound is weaker than the effects like the reverb over takes everything
I made presets in The Rock Warehouse and Metal Machinery that sound great but every time I use another presets it sound, lets face it, not great at all. Any advices?
Thank you
JohnHi,
it’s hard to come up with any advice without knowing more about your setup:
Which kit and module are you using?
Is the module in question tweaked when it comes to sensitivity and velocity response curves?
Are you using any kind of MIDI IN/E-drums Preset?
Are you using a particular Library Preset?
What kind of Audio/MIDI interface are you using?
How are you monitoring the Audio coming out of your Audio interface?
Which OS are you on?
BR,
John
John Rammelt - Toontrack
Technical Advisor
Joey AfonsoHi john
I’m using a Roland TD9 module on a hybrid edrums, all settings are made to suit my playing but i also tried with the factory settings (reset it but it’s the same). I’m using MIDI to a Focusrite 18I8 2nd generation to my laptop using Window 10 i5 7th generation quad core.
I’m using a preamp and speakers for audio when listening my recordings but mostly use headphone when playing. I use The Rock warehouse, MM,MF and the the core library of SD2 and SD3 + lots of EZdrummer library. I love and get great sound with the Rock Warehouse but if I upload a preset of any Library the sound become weak and as previously said the effect become predominant
JohnOK,
have you made sure you do not have any kind of channel/phase issue with your monitoring chain/headphones?
BR,
John
John Rammelt - Toontrack
Technical Advisor
Joey AfonsoI don’t think I do especially that I have a great sound with RW. How can i check this? would it be affected library to library?
JuicyJoey, this library has so many wet/room mics.
This could be the problem so try it with just the first (and Great ) overheads and the main mics only. Turn down or unload or mute the others.
I personally haven t found a use for such a massively drenched wet sound yet and do prefer just the Overheads.
JohnJoey,
it is most likely down to preference, then.
As Matthew suggests, please try with lowering Room and FX faders to taste.
BR,
John
John Rammelt - Toontrack
Technical Advisor
Joey AfonsoHi John
No. It’s not down to preferences. It’s unplayable. Look at any video about SD3 and it sound big. When I use it well it’s far to be as good. My preference as you called it would be to have a kick add sound as advertised.
If I lower the room and FX it sound weak
ScottAny way you could make a short sound clip so we all can hear what you are hearing? We are all just guessing at what you are hearing.
Scott Sibley - Toontrack
Technical Advisor
Mark KingTry just loading a kit and not the presets. The presets are interesting but not the dry kits. I have made all my own presets as I don’t like any of the supplied ones although they are ok for learning about the settings.
SD3 with older sdx,s plus Rooms of Hansa and Death & Darkness. Cubase and wavelab current versions. Roland TD50x using all trigger inputs for triggering SD3 only. Windows 11 computer. Various keyboards and outboard gear as well as VST instruments. Acoustic drums: Yamaha 9000 natural wood and Pearl masters. Various snare drums. RME BabyFace Pro FS and Adam A7X monitors
rrosin@Mark King said:
Try just loading a kit and not the presets. The presets are interesting but not the dry kits. I have made all my own presets as I don’t like any of the supplied ones although they are ok for learning about the settings.
Would you mind sharing your presets? I am not satisfied with many of the built-in presets as well but I am not able to create own, good sounding configurations.
Regards Reiner
Mark KingMy presets are just the kits without any processing applied so I get a natural sound playing from my edrums. So there is nothing to share. Just load a kit and not the presets. Maybe you are not understanding the program completely.
SD3 with older sdx,s plus Rooms of Hansa and Death & Darkness. Cubase and wavelab current versions. Roland TD50x using all trigger inputs for triggering SD3 only. Windows 11 computer. Various keyboards and outboard gear as well as VST instruments. Acoustic drums: Yamaha 9000 natural wood and Pearl masters. Various snare drums. RME BabyFace Pro FS and Adam A7X monitors
VindesI know the general feeling of finding the SD3 kits unsatisfying for live play on edrums.
I’ve found that the problem comes down to MIDI velocities. My TD-25 brain knows how to translate cymbal, kick, and pad hits into producing properly balanced sounds in the different kits. Unfortunately, when it spits them out in MIDI they don’t translate well into SD3 using the default setup.
I love how SD3 sounds once I have a velocity-corrected MIDI file. In such a file most of the hits are in the 85-127 velocity range, with ghost notes coming in more like 40-50. When I play my TD-25 “naturally” it ends up spitting out most notes in the 60-80 velocity range, and ghost notes are down in the 15-30 range. It ends up sounding like crap on most SD3 patches and is really unsatisfying to play.
There are a lot of ways to adjust for this for live playing. I could crank up the pad sensitivities in the TD-25, but then it’s unsatisfying to play that without SD3. So I’ve determined I want to make the adjustments in SD3. In SD3 there are many options. Last time around I ended up fixing a couple patches to my liking by using volume faders, bleed levels, and some compressors. Of course that doesn’t translate from one patch to another, so I end up having to re-do it every time, and even then it doesn’t really feel dialed in.
So I’m going to go back and try it again by adjusting the velocity curves for each pad individually. My brilliant idea this time is to record a midi track of me playing my TD-25 “naturally” while listening to the output of the TD-25 rather than SD3. Then I’ll put that MIDI file on repeat play and mess around with the velocity curves for each pad until it all sounds right.
I’m a little unsure how well this is going to work out. It seems weird to me to have to balance everything around MIDI notes at 80-100% max velocity for “normal” playing, because that’s not at all “normal” to me as a recreational player that plays mostly in my house. (I’m a piano player mostly, so the idea of playing near full velocity most of the time feels a little absurd to me, but I guess it’s a lot more “normal” for real world rock drumming.)
SD3; Reaper; Roland TD25; Win10
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Thanked by: Sedge73Mark KingThat doesn’t sound like a SD3 problem. SD3 only reacts to the velocities it gets from the module. Are you sure you have your triggering set up correctly as I don’t have the same problem with my TD30. The first thing I do with a module is set it’s sensativity for my playing style. Velocity curves can help but you need to make sure your module is outputting the right velocity levels
SD3 with older sdx,s plus Rooms of Hansa and Death & Darkness. Cubase and wavelab current versions. Roland TD50x using all trigger inputs for triggering SD3 only. Windows 11 computer. Various keyboards and outboard gear as well as VST instruments. Acoustic drums: Yamaha 9000 natural wood and Pearl masters. Various snare drums. RME BabyFace Pro FS and Adam A7X monitors
rrosin@Vindes said:
So I’ve determined I want to make the adjustments in SD3. In SD3 there are many options. Last time around I ended up fixing a couple patches to my liking by using volume faders, bleed levels, and some compressors. Of course that doesn’t translate from one patch to another, so I end up having to re-do it every time, and even then it doesn’t really feel dialed in.
You can adjust velocity curves in the MIDI mappings in SD3, so this change is valid for every kit and preset you are loading.
I am not sure whether your observations about the velocity range are right, but I can confirm that with different drum samplers in a DAW the volume of SD3 is significantly lower that the volume of other products.
Regards Reiner
Joey Afonso@Mark King said:
That doesn’t sound like a SD3 problem. SD3 only reacts to the velocities it gets from the module. Are you sure you have your triggering set up correctly as I don’t have the same problem with my TD30. The first thing I do with a module is set it’s sensativity for my playing style. Velocity curves can help but you need to make sure your module is outputting the right velocity levels
Hi. I don’t have the issue with SD2 library. I’m using SD2 since 2009 and know the produce. It seems like that that I’ll have to work inside SD3 more than I thought
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