Drum Groove MIDI Region Names in DAW Host

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  • Scott
    Moderator

    You can also drag grooves to the Song Track first as a kind of place holder. Then right click on any groove and select Show in Browser. It find it in the browser again at any time. You can still drag into your host of you want but just mute them in the Song track or unfollow host so you won’t be hearing both your DAW and the Song Track.

    Scott Sibley - Toontrack
    Technical Advisor

    George Bellas
    Participant

    That is a convoluted workflow you are suggesting. And that is not a solution as the regions in the DAW drum track are still named “MIDI Region” which makes it impossible to keep track of what grooves/fills have been used from Superior.

    Using the Song track is not an option at all, as the fills I drag from Superior into the DAW track are combined with drum parts/beats that don’t come from Superior. BTW, the regions in the SD3 song track do not display the precise name either, thus making it impossible to know which grooves/fills have been used.

    THE SOLUTION:
    The only solution is to have the developers reimplement the regions to be named as they are found in Superior.

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    Mac Pro 3.2 GHz 8 Core - Mac OS X 10.11.6 - Logic Pro X 10.3.2 - Superior Drummer 3.1.7

    George Bellas
    Participant

    Quite frankly this cripples the fast and productive workflow of being able to drag numerous fills onto the DAW drum track and at a glance be able to see what fills have and have not been used.

    Bad decision to have all regions named anything other than how they are named in the SD3 Grooves. YOU CANNOT KEEP TRACK OF WHAT HAS BEEN USED!

    Superior Drummer 2:
    1. Drag Groove/Fill into DAW Track
    2. Look at Region Name to Determine what Has Been Used
    3. Repeat hundreds of times (quickly)

    Superior Drummer 3 (your convoluted workflow suggestion):
    1. Drag Groove/Fill into Song Track
    2. Right click on region in Song Track
    3. Browser Window Opens Up
    4. Drag MIDI file into DAW
    5. Repeat hundreds of times

    I can’t even believe you would suggest such a convoluted workflow.

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    Mac Pro 3.2 GHz 8 Core - Mac OS X 10.11.6 - Logic Pro X 10.3.2 - Superior Drummer 3.1.7

    George Bellas
    Participant

    You are suggesting to place the fills/grooves in the SD3 Song Track as a temporary holding place. So, if I had 50 fills in my DAW track, I would then have to right click on all 50 of them individually to see which ones I’ve used, and by the time I get to the 50th one know by memory the previous 49 I have looked at.

    That is completely asinine.

    Can I please communicate with a developer?

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    Mac Pro 3.2 GHz 8 Core - Mac OS X 10.11.6 - Logic Pro X 10.3.2 - Superior Drummer 3.1.7

    Henrik Ekblom
    Participant

    @George Bellas said:
    When dragging a groove from the Superior 3 Grooves section into Logic Pro X the name of each region is “MIDI Region”. In Superior 2 the name of the region was the identical to the name of the groove within Superior 2.

    ISSUE: It is impossible to keep track of what ‘Grooves’ have been inserted into the host when all the regions are named “MIDI Region”. This is of utmost importance when looking for fills/grooves that have not already been used.

    SOLUTION: Have the name of the inserted region reflect the name of the SD3 Groove.

    Attached is a screenshot showing how the same grooves are named using SD3 vs SD2. Notice that all regions from SD3 are named “MIDI Region”.

    SD2-vs-SD3-Groove-Region-Names.png  

    We will look at this for coming updates, and I can understand why the current implementation makes your workflow trickier. We can’t however, promise when, or if, it will be implemented!

    Henrik Ekblom - User Experience Designer
    Toontrack

    George Bellas
    Participant

    I most certainly can’t be the only one who needs to see which Toontrack fill/groove I have already used in order to select a new unused fill from the selection.

    I appreciate Toontrack’s consideration of reimplementing this extremely helpful feature as I am sure many users would benefit from seeing precisely what they have already used in a song.

    Thank you Henrik.

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    Mac Pro 3.2 GHz 8 Core - Mac OS X 10.11.6 - Logic Pro X 10.3.2 - Superior Drummer 3.1.7

    joey pinter-bilek
    Participant

    hi, i have a solution (i think). what im doing so far is, after i drag the groove into sonar i highlight it then rename it in sonar. please let me know if this helps.
    jp

    Lee Shapiro
    Participant

    @joey pinter said:
    hi, i have a solution (i think). what im doing so far is, after i drag the groove into sonar i highlight it then rename it in sonar. please let me know if this helps.
    jp  

    I’m using SD3 in Sonar (Platinum) too, and each clip that I drag into Sonar’s midi track is labeled “untitled”.
    In order to rename the clip I have to open the Clip Inspector, go into the properties window and rename the clip from there. There’s not even a right-clip option to quickly rename the MIDI clip. It’s an extra step, but as was already mentioned, when you’re dealing with 50 or more SD3 clips in a project, it really slows down the workflow.

    So here’s another request for Toontrack to update this function so the title of the clip gets dragged along with the actual clip into your DAW.
    I really hate to complain about this, because I realize how much work went into making this software, and I truly appreciate all the time and effort by everyone involved.
    But since someone already brought it up, I figured I’d add my request for this update. I don’t know how much work would be involved in fixing this issue, or how long it would take, but it sure would be appreciated. Thanks!

    joey pinter-bilek
    Participant

    yes indeed, i’m working on a song now with SD3 and trying to figure out how to work this thing. The song is really a test project. however, i have to agree that not being able to know which clip is which is annoying. in SDX there was that weird code toontrack used which was hard to figure out but then at least one can look for the clip.

    Henrik Ekblom
    Participant

    What scenario would be most useful for you in your daily work:
    1. * Try to name the MIDI groove to the folder it originates from (both from Grooves tab, and from Superior Drummer 3 song track)
    2. Name the MIDI groove to the originating folder path when dragged from Grooves tab, and name the MIDI groove the song part it is when dragged from the track.

    * Please note that it’s now always possible to name the grooves by its path, since you may merge several files, and do other stuff so the file isn’t simply a file from one folder anymore. This is why we are leaning towards using system nr 2…

    Henrik Ekblom - User Experience Designer
    Toontrack

    George Bellas
    Participant

    @Henrik said:
    What scenario would be most useful for you in your daily work:
    1. * Try to name the MIDI groove to the folder it originates from (both from Grooves tab, and from Superior Drummer 3 song track)
    2. Name the MIDI groove to the originating folder path when dragged from Grooves tab, and name the MIDI groove the song part it is when dragged from the track.

    SD3 SONG TRACK NAME -vs- DAW TRACK NAME
    There are two lines of text on each MIDI region that is dragged to the SD3 Song Track. Therefore, you could conceivably use the top string of text on the MIDI region to display the path name (or abbreviation) of the originating Groove/Fill, and then use the bottom string of text on the MIDI region to display the song part. But if the user drags the Groove/Fill from the SD3 Song Track onto the DAW track the name should then reflect the originating file path (as in EZ Player Pro), otherwise there is no way to keep track of what has been used from the Grooves library.

    EXAMPLE (see attachment)
    – When dragging a Groove onto the Song Track in EZ Player Pro the MIDI region name reflects the part ( e.g. “Variation 02” )
    – When dragging a Groove from the Song Track in EZ Player Pro the MIDI region name reflects the path ( e.g. “Variation 02” becomes “NY-_S4_FV_V02” in the DAW )

    KEEP IN MIND
    When a MIDI groove/fill is on the SD3 Song Track, the user can use the menu command “Find > Show in Browser” to reveal the originating file path. However, that is not possible once the MIDI groove is placed on the DAW track.


    EZ-Player-Pro-NAMING-CONVENTION.png

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    Mac Pro 3.2 GHz 8 Core - Mac OS X 10.11.6 - Logic Pro X 10.3.2 - Superior Drummer 3.1.7

    George Bellas
    Participant

    SUPERIOR DRUMMER 3.0.2 UPDATE

    Thank you for adding the name to the MIDI file when dragged onto the DAW. However, the current implementation makes it difficult to decipher at a glance and unnecessarily shows the complete path to the folder on the user’s hard drive (minus system path info). Furthermore, zooming in horizontally is required in order to see the name of the file on the MIDI region due to the name including unnecessary file path information.

    MIDI NAME in SUPERIOR DRUMMER 2 -vs- SUPERIOR DRUMMER 3
    – In SD2 the name on the MIDI region was an abbreviation that clearly indicated the MIDI Grooves folder name, relevant path, and file name. This clearly shows the name of the file and enables users to QUICKLY see where it resides in the MIDI Grooves panel without having to extensively zoom in horizontally and then decipher a cryptic file path.

    – In SD3 the name on the MIDI region shows the entire path of the file location on the user’s hard drive (minus the system path) and also includes mis-information (displays wrong tempo), and obscure characters making it more difficult to decipher than in SD2.



    COMPARISON EXAMPLES (see attachement)


    SUPERIOR DRUMMER 2
    The MIDI Groove: ” Monster MIDI Pack / Straight 4/4 / SONG 01 104 BPM / HATS CLOSED VARIATIONS / Variation 01 ” is labeled as:
    MMP_S4_HCV_V01


    SUPERIOR DRUMMER 3
    The MIDI Groove: ” Monster MIDI Pack / Straight 4/4 / SONG 01 104 BPM / HATS CLOSED VARIATIONS / Variation 01 ” is labeled as:
    _EZD2MIDI_000090@MONSTER_MIDI_PACK/105@STRAIGHT_4#4/110-S022@HATS_CLOSED_VARIATIONS/Variation_01.mid



    SUGGESTIONS
    On the MIDI region within the DAW only display the relevant information to enable users to quickly and clearly see where the file is located within the Grooves panel. The implementation in SD2 was short and concise and the name did not contain a somewhat cryptic path and irrelevant information such as “_EZD2MIDI_000090@”. It appears that the code used in SD3 simply displays the file path on the hard drive rather than utilizing the previous function used in SD2. Perhaps the naming function code in SD2 can be reused in SD3.


    Superior-Drummer-MIDI-Naming-Convention.png

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    SYSTEM SPECS
    Mac Pro 3.2 GHz 8 Core - Mac OS X 10.11.6 - Logic Pro X 10.3.2 - Superior Drummer 3.1.7

    Henrik Ekblom
    Participant

    Thanks for the thoughts and ideas. We will continue to work with the naming in coming updates!

    Henrik Ekblom - User Experience Designer
    Toontrack

    George Bellas
    Participant

    Thank you Henrik and all at Toontrack. Your passionate work is greatly appreciated.

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    SYSTEM SPECS
    Mac Pro 3.2 GHz 8 Core - Mac OS X 10.11.6 - Logic Pro X 10.3.2 - Superior Drummer 3.1.7

    Dave_27
    Participant

    I’m running SD3 with Cubase 9 and can’t get the midi file name to show up on drag and drop…ie…midi file name in SD3 is “HR1 halftime 110F1” midi file after dragging and dropping into cubase is now named “Superior Drummer 3 01”. How can change it to read the file name?

    Regards,
    Dave

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