Topic: Bar Offset for Count-In

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Replied December 28, 2015 at 10:00 #1985181

Henrik Ekblom
Participant

If you use count-in with your DAW, doesn’t that work with EZKeys and EZdrummer 2? They can’t play anything before the first bar though.

Henrik Ekblom - User Experience Designer
Toontrack

Replied December 29, 2015 at 00:18 #1985196

Bob Muso
Participant

No. when the daw’s are set to 2 bar offset they start playing the count in on bar -1 (2 bar count in) EZK EZD starts playing on bar 1 so it is 2 bars out on the bar numbers, anyway I need EZD to play the count in.

Replied December 29, 2015 at 10:57 #1985201

John
Moderator

Which DAW are we talking about?

John Rammelt - Toontrack
Technical Advisor

Replied December 30, 2015 at 00:05 #1985230

Bob Muso
Participant

Reaper but I’m sure others would be the same, say when I’m recording I need a 2 bar count-in like 1—2—1234 I set it to start on -1 so that’s -1—0—1—2—3—4—5—6— I drag the 2 bar count-in midi to ezdrummer2 track, it plays the count-in but starts on it’s bar 1 as you can’t set the bar offset so when the daw is on bar 8 ezd2 is on it’s bar 10. So when you are editing the drumming it is not on the same bar number. It is the same problem in the standalone if you are making up a tack with a count-in.

Replied December 30, 2015 at 14:26 #1985241

Scott Eshleman
Participant

Please explain the purpose of dragging the “count-in MIDI” into the EZDrummer2 timeline.
It is perfectly acceptable to leave empty space in the EZDrummer2 timeline.

Replied December 30, 2015 at 19:49 #1985245

Bob Muso
Participant

@gseshleman said:

Please explain the purpose of dragging the “count-in MIDI” into the EZDrummer2 timeline.
It is perfectly acceptable to leave empty space in the EZDrummer2 timeline.

The guitarist starts playing on beat 1 of bar 1 so he knows when to start playing and what tempo to play at drummers do a count-in, if the bars are left blank as you suggest they won’t pick up the time. In ezd2 timeline there are bar numbers same as a daw. When I’m producing a drum track in the standalone for musician to record to I need a count-in then as I make it up I need the correct bar numbers showing, when I add a 2 bar count-in to ezd2 the song starts on bar 3 when it should be bar 1 so all the way thru the “timeline” the time showing is out by 2 bars. This is the main reason that daw’s have a bar offset adjustment.

A two-bar percussive and verbal count off played on a closed hi-hat

More information: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Count_off

Replied December 30, 2015 at 21:00 #1985246

Scott Eshleman
Participant

Thanks. I understand the idea & concept of a count-in.
I was asking why you need to include it in the EZDrummer2 timeline.

Why not just have Reaper’s metronome perform the count-in (in the DAW),
and your drum groove start in EZD2 timeline at Bar 2, leaving Bar 1 blank?

Replied December 30, 2015 at 22:08 #1985247

Bob Muso
Participant

A 2 bar count-in would mean ezd2 is starting on bar 3, can you see the bar numbers on ezd2 timeline they are numbers for a reason, would the daw bar numbers correspond to the bars in ezd2 ? A drum track has a count-in, when you produce a drum track you need a count-in.
It is a simple bar offset adjustment that is being asked for, that’s all.
If you look in your daw you should have a bar offset adjustment so when you use a 2 bar count-in the bar numbers will remain accurate -101234678….

Replied December 30, 2015 at 22:32 #1985248

Scott
Moderator

I’m not saying I don’t like you’re idea but I start every project in Cubase on bar 3. I have 2 bars intro (click) and my song stays on bar 3. EZD2 (and EZkeys) timeline always correspond that way. I don’t care about a precount bar (-1) as long as my time lines line up. They do for me.

Scott Sibley - Toontrack
Technical Advisor

Replied December 31, 2015 at 00:05 #1985252

Bob Muso
Participant

So the Cubase bar numbers line up ok with the sheet music bar numbers.

Replied December 31, 2015 at 00:10 #1985254

Scott
Moderator

I don’t know. I don’t use the scoring functions in Cubase. I just produce music.

If I did and it didn’t line up I would write my song and track all my parts and right before I printed a score I would Save As (create a ‘score’ version) and select All audio and MIDI track events and snap them to bar 1. Print.

Scott Sibley - Toontrack
Technical Advisor

Replied December 31, 2015 at 00:45 #1985259

Bob Muso
Participant

I’m talking about the sheet music I sent you.
Hey, I have not been sitting here not being able to do anything for years because there is no bar offset. Anyone can do all the workarounds suggested,
I’m not trying to make EZD2 harder for people to use, it’s just that the word EZ=EASY.
It’s an OPTION that is being asked for not a mandatory usage for those use to starting a song on bar 3.

Replied December 31, 2015 at 01:02 #1985260

Scott
Moderator

Ok. I’m not in the loop. I don’t know what sheet music you sent Toontrack. I’m just a forum tech. I’m not trying to be combative.

I’m not saying it’s not a good idea or anything. I don’t know how technically EZ what you’re asking is or isn’t. I’m just offering my opinion and advise as a musician/songwriter/producer.

Scott Sibley - Toontrack
Technical Advisor

Replied December 31, 2015 at 01:36 #1985262

Bob Muso
Participant

@Bob Muso said:

I haven’t installed any update since buying EZK-EZD2 can anyone tell me in there was a bar offset fix to have the option to start the bar @ -2 to allow for a 2 bar count-in in the DAW’s ?
Thanks.

If you use count-in with your DAW. . .

Which DAW are we talking about?…

Please explain the purpose of dragging…

Thanks. I understand the idea & concept of a count-in….

Answer: a simple NO or YES would of done.

Sorry man it is just frustrating having to explain a simple standard thing,
Thanks.

Replied December 31, 2015 at 02:18 #1985264

Scott
Moderator

I’m not sure I understand your problem I guess (and your original post doesn’t make a lot of grammatical sense). Yes I know what a count in is. I use the pre-roll option in Reaper and Cubase. I have it set for 2 measures. The click in the DAW happens, I get ready to record, and recording (and the EZD2 Song Track) begins at 0:00:00…bar 1. Or, like I said above, I don’t use the pre-roll and just have bars 1 and 2 be my count in and start recording at bar 3.

So, if I’m understanding you correctly, when you use a 2 bar pre-roll count-in in Reaper, EZD2 starts playing back at bar 1 so you have a 2 bar miss match. Is that correct? If so, then my answer is NO, that doesn’t happen here. My EZD2 Song Track syncs with the Reaper pre-roll count in and doesn’t start playback until the 2 bar pre-roll is over.

If I’m not understanding you correctly you might, unfortunately, need to explain it better. Or, if that’s too frustrating, don’t.

Scott Sibley - Toontrack
Technical Advisor
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