jonomMan this is frustrating not as easy as the videos say at all.
I tried draggin in groove into track, then adjust the tempo of the groove on the track in garage band at the bottom by clicking project and then using the tempo slider but that then effects the tempo of my entire project. So if my track 1 piano piece is at the right speed and I adjust tempo on project to slow drums down it slows my piano down. Its doing it based on project and not track. I need to be able to adjust tempo based on track or tempo of drums..
Right now my project is set to a tempo of 120 so everything will be at that
Thats fine for my piano that I drag into track 1
But.. when I drag in a groove on track 2 for drums the drum groove is too fast ( and yes I picked the slow version )
How do i get the groove to be slower so it works and matches with my piano piece? the old (1/2, 1, 2 ) isnt cutting it
JeekemYou have to be running EZD as a plug-in in your DAW and not as the Stand Alone outside your DAW. When I use it like this, the EZD tracks sync with the tempo in my project. I try to stay fairly close to the native tempo of the drum track though just because when you slow down a sound that mu8ch it messes with the pitch and stuff.
I think the product can do all that you want but you DO have to put in time using it and some things can only get simplified so much. I absolutely love this product but you and I may have different things that we’re hoping to achieve. There is a good course on Groove 3 and at least one other site. This program does stuff that I don’t even know that I need yet. I think it’s the easiest one I’ve tried.
We all want a program that you can come in and say – hey ToonTrack, do a cymbal and snare thingy for like a couple of bars and then play an original 12 bar blues thingy while following my intensity level while I play my guitar and sing and pretend to be a tortured artist and stuff. I want it to look like Marilyn Monroe too.
Hey- Good luck.
JeeKem
jonomI am using it as plugin in my daw
I have garageband loaded and its loaded up as a plugin not standalone.
And yes I know if my project is 120 tempo and i drag in a groove its going to play it at a 120 tempo and if i increase the project tempo or decrease it both track 1 with my piano and track 2 with my drums are going to move up or down in tempo together
But there is one thing to have a PROJECT at a 120 tempo and another to get the groove sounding right with the song your playing
See you hit it on the nail where the problem is “I try to stay fairly close to the native tempo of the drum track though just because when you slow down a sound that mu8ch it messes with the pitch and stuff. “
You are writing your song around the drum track.. And that is not the way songs are done. 99% of songs are written on guitars and pianos and then drums are laid on top inline with the dynamics of how the song is played.
Whats the point of having a crap load of drum loops if none of them match the song you spent time creating or you can’t increase or decrease their individual tempos other than 1/2, 1 and 2… You are then left with what you are doing which is basically before you write a song.. Loading up ezdrummer finding a track and trying to get your playing to match your track.. thats ass backwards!
jonomI’ll just have to play around with it.
I did notice that if you grab something like
hats 4th rock open
and you drag to track.. and then open piano roll there is a option there for timing which provides a lot of ways to quantize note timing.. seems to give you some more options..
I guess at the end of the day nothing beats a real drummer 🙂
JohnHi,
what you describe is not how it is supposed to work.
The EZdrummer plugin gets its tempo from the host and any dragged grooves from the EZdrummer Groove Browser will match the set the tempo in your host.
If you record something with Tempo set at 120 and you do it without matching this tempo, e.g. the tempo of the guitar you’re recording is really at 112, you are never going to match this up in Garageband with a plugin like EZdrummer that gets tempo info from the host.
Some hosts have the possibility to stretch/compress both audio and MIDI on a per track basis but AFAIK not Garageband.
BTW, are you using the latest version of EZdrummer (currently 1.3.1)? You should have a visual report of the version number in the plugin interface.
BR,
John
John Rammelt - Toontrack
Technical Advisor
ScottI’ve had success with creating a tempo map to a project (real drums, bass, keys) that was recorded without a click track and was tracked ‘live’. The tempo varied. I had to manually create the tempo map, one measure at a time, one beat at a time. It took a while but at the end, the project tempo map matched the loose ‘live’ tempo and I was able to use EZdrummer to add percussion (shaker, congas, etc.) IOW, EZD followed the ‘live’ tempo.
I use Cubase so I don’t know if that is possible in Garageband, but it is possible to do.
Scott Sibley - Toontrack
Technical Advisor
ScottYou are writing your song around the drum track.. And that is not the way songs are done. 99% of songs are written on guitars and pianos and then drums are laid on top inline with the dynamics of how the song is played.
Well, songs that I produce may not be written around the drum track but the tracks are laid down to a tempo track (click track). If there are tempo changes in the song, they need to be mapped out before I lay down ‘live’ instruments. I play the guitar track to the click to maintain proper tempo (or piano or some other melodic instrument). Then I lay down bass (if there is a bass). Then I create the drums to that. Sometimes drums are laid down live via a Zendrum and sometimes I use the MIDI grooves and adjust them to fit the song (kick drum pattern works with the bass guitar, dynamics fit song, fills are added to enhance song, etc). But, in the end, all instruments are in time.
Scott Sibley - Toontrack
Technical Advisor
jonomORIGINAL: John
BTW, are you using the latest version of EZdrummer (currently 1.3.1)? You should have a visual report of the version number in the plugin interface.
Hi John
I bought this a couple of days ago, logged in and click the red MAC button ( i assumed this would be the latest ) I see now by logging in that below that is upgrades I thought those were just for people who had not got the latest version but had an older one. I will have to download the upgrade from 1.3.0 to 1.3.1
When you say the host, you mean ( the program garageband right? ) yes i understand that when you drag in a groove its tempo is based on whatever the project tempo is but that doesnt mean the groove matches what is being played
The way I record is like this. I load up garageband, create a track it asks what tempo i leave it at the default 120 tempo and then click record and start playing piano. Once finished I listen and it sounds exactly like what I just played
Next I am wanting to have drumming that goes with that piano playing. So i go searching through the groove section but most are either wrong groove, too fast, too slow. And as Im new to this im not sure what grooves to be looking under ( im under pop / ballad ) for the most part
jonomORIGINAL: Scott
Well, songs that I produce may not be written around the drum track but the tracks are laid down to a tempo track (click track). If there are tempo changes in the song, they need to be mapped out before I lay down ‘live’ instruments. I play the guitar track to the click to maintain proper tempo (or piano or some other melodic instrument). Then I lay down bass (if there is a bass). Then I create the drums to that. Sometimes drums are laid down live via a Zendrum and sometimes I use the MIDI grooves and adjust them to fit the song (kick drum pattern works with the bass guitar, dynamics fit song, fills are added to enhance song, etc). But, in the end, all instruments are in time.
Ok i see what you mean about getting all instruments in time,but what if you don’t know what click track ( metronome ) your song is at? I mean I just get on my piano and create a song i dont give much thought to clicking and metronomes. How would I know what tempo my song is at? If I knew then when i record it in garageband I would select that tempo at the start then in theory any drum grooves i drag in would match my pianos tempo
ScottAre you recording your piano part by mic’ing a real piano or by using a virtual piano and MIDI? If the former, yes, you need to track to a click metronome if you ever hope to use the EZdrummer MIDI grooves and have them play in time with your piano. If you are tracking piano using a MIDI keyboard and a sampled piano, you still should use a click metronome and play to that click, but you should then be able to change the project tempo and the MIDI piano should change along with the tempo change. Any EZdrummer MIDI will also then adjust with your tempo changes.
If you are just setting your project tempo to 120, not listening to it as you then play your piano in ‘freetime’, you can’t expect EZdrummer MIDI to have any idea how to follow your ‘freetime’ tempo. It will, of course, follow the 120 BPM of your project.
Scott Sibley - Toontrack
Technical Advisor
ScottHave a look at this Toontrack video for a sample of how to create a song from start to finish:
http://www.toontrack.com/tv.asp?channel=tutorials&item=171
In the first part of the video, it talks about having a ‘guitar, bass, and keyboard track that was recorded to a metronome’.
The video uses Pro Tools as the DAW but similar techniques can be used in whatever DAW you use (Garageband, I believe).
Scott Sibley - Toontrack
Technical Advisor
jonomHI Scott
This is what I have
Hooks up to my mac via a USB cable, then in garageband i hit record, play and it records.
yeah i guess i will need to use a metronome when I play to find out the tempo of the song, so I can set the tempo of the project and then all grooves dragged in should match
Juicy Once you work that way “everything will sync the way it is meant.
Its not actually all that hard to say ok im feeling this and exactly or ruffly what is that tempo ,takes less than a minute.
You can then use All your edit functions and cut bars and insert whole sections in sync with ease like the pros do it.
Delays and all sorts of other cool things lock to the host tempo.You may be suprised that its actually EZ to get a drum feel going and adjust that first and then record your piano against a temp drum playing,who knows.
Groove is the name of the game.
The click is your friend
jonomI had another idea that might even work for me better
I will play my song, have headphones on and drag in loops and then use garageband to slide the tempo down on the drums until it matches my song. Might be easier than trying to figure out what tempo I am playing my piano in as for the life of me I can’t figure that out, i wish I could
NathanIf you didn’t play to a metronome though, you may find that the natural “feel” timing variations of your playing may make the drums or the piano sound out of time in places, even if the overall tempo matches. In this case you need to vary the tempo to match your song -creating something called a tempo map in your DAW project. It can be a bit fiddly, it’s often better to “play-in” the tempo, but you can get good, expressive drum tracks that compliment your playing this way…
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