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Tape Hiss in samples (EZX Classic)

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  • Replied June 11, 2011 at 16:46 #1949320
    Damian Blunt
    Moderator

    The Helios is an old desk that sounds fantastic and unique – the trade off is that it’s probably more noisy than a more modern console.

    Damian Blunt - Toontrack
    Quality Assurance
    Betatesting

    Replied June 11, 2011 at 16:52 #1949323
    drdrum
    Participant

    I understand that but what Im getting is unusable.And that flange sound at the end of the samples is driving me nuts.

    Superior Drummer 3 version: 3.3.6 EZ Bass 1.1.8 EZ Keys 2 2.0.4
    Operating system: MacOSX 15.7 Catalina and Win10 64

    Replied June 11, 2011 at 16:59 #1949324
    Scott
    Moderator

    Can you post a sound file so we can hear what you are talking about?

    In addition, is the ‘flanging’ happening with both the ‘All mic setup’ and the ‘4 mic setup’? With all kit pieces in both EZXs?

    Scott Sibley - Toontrack
    Technical Advisor

    Replied June 11, 2011 at 20:38 #1949331
    drdrum
    Participant

    It happens in both 4 mic and the all mic.
    Mostly in the yamaha kit. Ill do a sound clip so you can hear.

    Superior Drummer 3 version: 3.3.6 EZ Bass 1.1.8 EZ Keys 2 2.0.4
    Operating system: MacOSX 15.7 Catalina and Win10 64

    Replied June 11, 2011 at 21:44 #1949335
    drdrum
    Participant

    I made a clip and posted it on soundcloud. But you cant hear what Im talking about.
    It didnt come across in the translation. I can hear it in cubase when I play back the wav.
    Oh well here it is anyway. Maybe if you can turn it way up you may hear it.
    http://soundcloud.com/drdrum/yamy-full-mic
    I do notice the hiss is mostly on the Floor tom.
    Thanks for the replys

    Superior Drummer 3 version: 3.3.6 EZ Bass 1.1.8 EZ Keys 2 2.0.4
    Operating system: MacOSX 15.7 Catalina and Win10 64

    Replied June 11, 2011 at 21:51 #1949336
    sam odell
    Participant

    I posted a similar thing here  http://www.toontrack.com/forum/tm.aspx?m=113558

    http://www.youtube.com/user/samicide1/ http://www.reverbnation.com/artist/artist_songs/969759/

    Replied June 11, 2011 at 21:51 #1949337
    Dave Modisette
    Participant

    I can hear it slightly in the samples.  Nothing that I would call unusable.  I think it would go at it with a low pass filter.  I didn’t hear the flanging.  

    I’ve gotten much worse hiss or noise off on old Fender Bassman or Dual Reverb.

    Dave Modisette www.gatortraks.com www.plasticsamerica.com http://www.gatortraks.com/forum

    Replied June 11, 2011 at 21:58 #1949338
    sam odell
    Participant

    I didn’t hear the flanging.  

    could you check this link and see if you hear it on the cymbal? thanks http://www.toontrack.com/forum/tm.aspx?m=113558

    http://www.youtube.com/user/samicide1/ http://www.reverbnation.com/artist/artist_songs/969759/

    Replied June 11, 2011 at 23:13 #1949340
    drdrum
    Participant

    Dave, the flanging didnt come thru.
    I dont know why. Could it be a conflict with cubase and Presounus firebox?
    Low pass filter eh? I’ll try that. Im a noob at this recording thing.
    Thanks for the input

    Superior Drummer 3 version: 3.3.6 EZ Bass 1.1.8 EZ Keys 2 2.0.4
    Operating system: MacOSX 15.7 Catalina and Win10 64

    Replied June 12, 2011 at 00:19 #1949343
    Whitten
    Participant

    b.sabbath,
    You want us to check our own versions of The Classic, because you didn’t post an audio example?
    dr.drum,
    I couldn’t hear the hiss on my system. Not saying it isn’t there, but I couldn’t hear it.
    Damian is right.
    There was no tape used.
    The Helios is a very old desk, as were most of the mics we used.
    Pretty much all but the very latest, super well maintained consoles and mic cabinets will emit some noise. Unfortunately the extra trade off with EZdrummer and Superior is that every single sample has a little noise, and when you trigger multiple samples, obviously the noise multiplies in a way it wouldn’t in a real life scenario.
    IMO, the noise is manageable in a musical context in that basses, guitars, keyboards will mask any slight noise while allowing the sound of the drums to take center stage. This is actually normal practice even in the real world. The real world isn’t made up of digitally manicured sounds, as we are somewhat used to with drum machines.
    That’s why studios used to have Dolby systems and noise gates.
    I’m happy with the low level of noise, as are the rest of the team or it would never have been released.

    Replied June 12, 2011 at 00:48 #1949346
    Whitten
    Participant

    ORIGINAL: b. sabbath

    could you check this link and see if you hear it on the cymbal? thanks http://www.toontrack.com/forum/tm.aspx?m=113558

    I answered in your other topic too.
    There is no flanging I can hear.
    I don’t really comprehend what both of you are hearing. This is how drums sound to my ears.
    Anyway…
    I’ve loaded the 18″ K Con in the default ‘Classic’ and played it with the volume right up on my monitors.
    It sounds exactly like it does in real life.
    There is a little audible wobble as it moves on the cymbal stand after being struck.
    Quite honestly, this is how it sounds to the human ear, as well as off tape.
    The cymbal sounds good and there is no fault in there.
    (At least on my system)

    Replied June 12, 2011 at 00:50 #1949347
    sam odell
    Participant

    thanks for the reply.

    ORIGINAL: Whitten
    b.sabbath,
    You want us to check our own versions of The Classic, because you didn’t post an audio example?

    That’s what I thought someone could do because I hear it just loading the defaults, the same with the 4 mic, just hitting the 18″ K Constantinople cymbal and it’s audible to me. It reminds me of old tape warble and it almost pans like a stereo flanger but I see there was no tape involved. I still love the sound of this and I’m using it in some stuff right now, the hiss doesn’t bother me. I was curious if anyone else heard it the same way I did.

    are you *the* Chris Whitten?

    http://www.youtube.com/user/samicide1/ http://www.reverbnation.com/artist/artist_songs/969759/

    Replied June 12, 2011 at 00:56 #1949348
    sam odell
    Participant

    ORIGINAL: Whitten

    ORIGINAL: b. sabbath

    could you check this link and see if you hear it on the cymbal? thanks http://www.toontrack.com/forum/tm.aspx?m=113558

    I answered in your other topic too.
    There is no flanging I can hear.
    I don’t really comprehend what both of you are hearing. This is how drums sound to my ears.

    to me it sounds almost like a more subtle version of the way the cymbals sound in Led Zeppelin’s Kashmir, only not as pronounced but similar.

    I’m convinced nothing’s wrong here and I definitely like this pack for its realness, I really thought what I was hearing was intentional to exaggerate a tape sound. either way it’s cool thanks for checking it out.

    http://www.youtube.com/user/samicide1/ http://www.reverbnation.com/artist/artist_songs/969759/

    Replied June 12, 2011 at 01:17 #1949350
    Scott
    Moderator

    Any cymbal that is recorded to multiple stationary microphone may exhibit varying amounts of phasing sound as the cymbal moves and the mics don’t. The K Constantinople may have a more pronounced phasing sound due to it’s relation to the OH/AMB mic(s). I think the Classic 4 Mic has more pronounced phasing due to the positioning of the mics in relation to the cymbals, especially the Cymbal 3 position.

    Scott Sibley - Toontrack
    Technical Advisor

    Replied June 12, 2011 at 03:01 #1949355
    Whitten
    Participant

    Scott is right.
    There is a weird phasing sound on the cymbals in position 3 on the ‘4 mic set up’. This was known about from the start of the post production and editing stage.
    We could have done better I admit. It is caused by the movement of the cymbal on the stand slightly varying the volume and timbre picked up between the two stereo mics capturing the overall kit. As they are the main mics in the ‘4 mic’, it’s slightly pronounced, whereas the same effect would be un-noticeable in a multi-mic recording.
    But the slight negative of the cymbals in position 3 (that’s ONLY the 20″ K Crash Ride and 16″ Sabian Evolution) is lessened by the sound quality of the overall kit in that ‘4 mic set up’ (IMHO).
    None of the other cymbals or cymbal positions are effected in the 4 mic set up.
    Regarding the default full mic kit in The Classic, I’m not hearing anything untoward at all. The 18″ K Con crash sounds normal and would have sounded the same whatever studio we’d used or whatever mic and recording console.

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